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Wednesday, March 16, 2005

Pancake Corrie returns.

After trying her luck as a human speedbump and getting faxed back home to her parents, the ghost of Rachel Corrie just doesn't let go. Her parents decided to sue Israel's government for the death of their daughter. You see, it's Israel's fault their daughter walked into a warzone, stood in front of a terrorist's house, in a place in which in armored D9 driver would in no way see her, refused to move away and got mushed.
I wonder what the claim would be, did Israel force Corrie to be an idiot? Did we force her to stand in front of a running bulldozer? Or maybe, it's our fault that she came to gaza to preach hatered and teaching little kids of the delicate art of burning American flags.

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The family of Rachel Corrie, a U.S. activist killed in Gaza while trying to stop an Israeli army bulldozer from destroying a Palestinian home, filed suit in Israel on Tuesday for damages, an Israeli news Web Site said.

The Internet site of the Haaretz newspaper reported that Corrie's family was seeking $324,000 from the Israeli government and army over her death two years ago.

I seriously can't wait to see the arguments raised in that trial.

UPDATE:
Just wait, that isn't the last from the Corrie's. IDF isn't the only ones they sued, they also sued Caterpillar.
And next on the news, parents of a man who comitted suicide sue the railway company and the wagon's maker for murder.

36 Comments:

  • Just to extend on your points

    This website shows the D9 bulldozer
    http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/engineer_vehicles/bulldozers/D9_D10.html

    In all these picture's quite honestly I dare anyone to point out the driver. It's impossible because of it being so heavily armored. Also because of that armor, it makes impossible to hear anything. The arguements by the "ISM witnesses" that she was yelling and had blow horn are moot points because even with that it would have been impossible for the driver to hear her.

    Now on to the arguement that she was "runover". If she was runover their wouldn't have been a "corrie" she would have been in pieces. These things weigh a few tons, she would have been completely crushed. But the fact is that even after the incident she was alive and driven to a hospital.

    In the original link I gave, at the bottom of the page you can see a picture that gives mearsurements of all the parts of the bulldozer. The blade itself is about 2 meters/6 foot 4 inches. I'm assuming that rachel was less than 6 feet tall or about 1.80 meters. So when she was standing right in front of the bulldozer, she could not have been seen.

    Also for a bulldozer to move forward it must have the blade lifted up. Or else it will be constantly lifting earth. So while the blade is 2m/6'4 it's also would have been raised in the air. Making it even higher up, and in some cases even blocking the drivers view even further.

    One point the "ISM witness" makes is that was she lying with her midsection on the top of the blade.Thats very very unlikely. The fact is that the only way for her to have even put her hands on the top of the lifted blade would have been to jump. And she must have jumped fairly high. So for her to have even pulled herself up to the top of the blade makes me question if it was possible.

    So as shown, she could not have been seen, and their is serious question on whether she was able to even hold on to the top of the blade much less climb it. From this it's obvious that during her attempts to throw herself onto the bulldozer she failed, and feel on her back. The driver was lowering the blade, and unbeknownests to him. He was making her into a... "pancake".

    Just one more point. The reason why I say "ISM witness" is that the ISM has a history of lying. They tell people to lie to enter Israel, they tell them to lie the police in Israel. And they lie to get recruits for their group.

    The ISM has also be known to have hid terrorists in it's offices, and justified suicide bombings. So anything that an ISM activists says must be taken with a large quantity of salt

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:35 PM, March 22, 2005  

  • I was just wondering whether Corrie quickly ran and stood in front of the buldozer?
    What were the soldiers accompanying the bulldozer doing? Or the bulldozer driver was there all alone bringing down the houses.

    By Blogger Adam, at 9:45 AM, March 23, 2005  

  • I hope you are targeted, one less Israeli solider on Palestinian land is one more step to freedom.

    By Anonymous yeah, at 12:21 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • What were the soldiers accompanying the bulldozer doing?

    From what I understand the other soldiers were somewhere else dealing with/arresting her friends.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:44 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Folks, a question. Our blogger claims to be just a 19 year old soldier with little time. But he/she has this beautiful website and he/she puts out stories in english that fit quite well the official Israeli army and intelligence services line and seem focused on discrediting Israeli, international and Palestinian human rights groups. Should we really believe he/she is just some soldier ? Perhaps a covert, official propagandist ?

    Rachel Corrie was simply run over by an Israeli military bulldozer that knew she was there, as much as some are in denial or wish to discredit those telling the truth. Rachel was standing in the same place in view of the bulldozer for a good period of time. There was at least one APC observing with a clear view and in radio contact with the bulldozer. The other soldiers were not off chasing other ISMers.

    Rachel was standing in front of the home of a Palestinian pharmacist, Samir Nasrallah, his wife and children. The Israeli army has never claimed there was a tunnel in the home or that he is a terrorist. Nonetheless, like thousands of other Palestinian civilian homes, it was eventually demolished.

    All of this can be found in the testimony of the ISM witnesses. Now someone will claim ISMers lie. The Israeli soldiers who shot Tom Hurndall lied and have been caught. Soldiers also lied about shooting 13 year old Iman Al Hams in Rafah, etc., and the shooting of journalist James Miller in Rafah. They said they never shot Brian Avery in Jenin. The world found out about the lies in these cases because pressure has forced new investigations. There are no credible investigations in thousands of other cases involving Palestinians.

    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:24 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Pancake Corrie! LOL! It's so wrong, but yet so funny!

    Anyway, sueing Caterpiller is like sueing Mikhail Kalashnikov for the ways people use his invention. Speaking of which, anyone up for... Naaah, we couldn't sue that poor old grandpa! :)

    By Blogger Nemesis6, at 5:33 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • I am sooo happy that St pancake won't bother Israel any more... Now for all her friends...

    And I bought sharees of Caterpillar because it helped send this nitwit to her reward...

    Now for all other members of her antisemitic group to follow!

    Pitiricus

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:42 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • "All of this can be found in the testimony of the ISM witnesses. Now someone will claim ISMers lie."

    I'll go further than that and call the ISM the absolute scum of the earth. Terrorist-enabling scum of the earth at that. And I'd trust one of you terrorist-supporters about as far as I could throw you.

    ------------
    American Citizens Killed or Injured by Palestinian Terrorists
    http://www.house.gov/burton/RSC/PalestinianTerrorismFacts.PDF

    Since Yasser Arafat “renounced” violence in the Oslo Peace Accords on September 13, 1993, at least 52 American citizens, including women and children, have been murdered by Palestinian terrorists, and at least another 83 Americans have been injured.
    ------------

    Quit crying crocodile tears for the defenders of mass-murderers, it's extremely pathetic and totally transparent.

    "Pharmacist!" LOL, one of Hamas' chief bomb architects was known as "The Engineer." That moniker doesn't mean he built roads in his spare time.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:46 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • ISM sent two of its muslim members to be homicide bombers one went through with it the other chickened out and his handler murdered him.

    Any one for a Rachel "the pancake" corrie breakfast?

    anti semitic MOMZAERS nothing new here goyium have been killing jews for ever.

    By Blogger yochanan, at 6:55 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Hey, he could be a pharmacist. Remember Ransisi, the pediatrician of death? (roasting quite nicely in Hell, I presume.

    By Blogger Pablo, at 7:01 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Gee, talk about violence, non-violence, verbal violence, etc.. I wonder if someone was to read these entries who they might judge is more violent ? Perhaps the people supporting bulldozing a 23 year old, calling people "scum" and using all kinds of abusive language ?

    The two British bombers met ISMers by chance for 15 minutes at a public event in Rafah. The two bombers had absolutely no connection with ISM. If I met some of you bloggers at a public event, you hurled insults at me for 15 minutes, attempted to attack me and then you went on to bulldoze another ISMer, would I be somehow responsible for your crime because I had met you for 15 minutes ?

    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:16 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • "Gee, talk about violence, non-violence, verbal violence, etc.. I wonder if someone was to read these entries who they might judge is more violent ? Perhaps the people supporting bulldozing a 23 year old, calling people "scum" and using all kinds of abusive language ?

    Mommy, the bad men are calling me names, waaaah waahh.

    You certainly whine like a "Palestinian." Your organisation--such as it is--aids and defends mass-murdering terrorists. My moral conscience permits me to negate politeness when dealing with lesser lifeforms like yourself.

    And she wasn't "bulldozed", she was injured by the blade of said bulldozer while her friends watched on. She actually died in a "Palestinian" hospital, which is very suspicious in itself. As a propaganda tool she was worth more to them dead than alive.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:12 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • To the propaganda tool paragraph - It actually sounds plausible that she, along with Muhammed Al-Dura, could be a product of Pallywood.

    By Blogger Nemesis6, at 9:42 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Should we really believe he/she is just some soldier ? Perhaps a covert, official propagandist ?

    Ya it's like some kind conspiracy./sarcasm

    I guess all ISMer's have to include the palestinian propaganda that the Jews control the media, and therefore must have spawned blogs to continue their plans.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:50 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Speaking of conspiracy theorists, doesn't the suggestion that Rachel Corrie's death was arranged by Palestinians seem just a tiny bit over the top and delusional ?

    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:15 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Hi ISMer,
    I have been reading your comments and wanted to write a few general things. The problem many Israelis (and Americans) have with groups like ISM is that like any extremist (right or left) you are so blinded by your cause that you ignore everything else (some of the people you consort with love nothing more than killing Jews). It is your right to champion the Palestinian cause, many people and governments do. But your refusal to admit or believe that your side is capable of wrongdoing and that everything is Israel's fault is just not a mature or educated outlook (in fact it highlights your poor mastery of the subject matter- all heart little brains). I was always taught that there are 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. Same thing goes for this conflict. Israel isn't perfect, the Palestinians are far from perfect. As far as Corrie goes, I wasn't there so it behooves me to weigh in on the matter. But as an IDF combat veteran I will say the following. People like you have no clue what it's like to have to fight for your life. These situations are very stressful and not always so clearcut. Soldiers in the area could have been worrying or taking care of a million different things besides paying attention to the whereabouts of one person. Military life and missions are very fluid and confusing. Just look at the history of friendly-fire incidents in Iraq and wherever, let alone accidentaly killing non-combatants. 99.99% of IDF soldiers (especially ones in combat units) are intelligent, considerate people and not homicidal maniacs. ISM needs to realize that should they choose to enter hot zones, there are HUGE risks in doing so and they are not immune to them. Being an American or foreigner does not make you bulletproof. You seem like a normal person, I think you should take time to learn more about the conflict and mix around your sources (i.e. not just "your" side). You may still believe in the Palestinian cause (or not) but I think your views will become more balanced and true.

    By Blogger Giza, at 1:03 AM, March 24, 2005  

  • One thing I can't understand is why Israel would oppose a full, independent investigation like the Corries are asking for. It just makes it seem like the IDF has something to hide. Why not just put the matter to rest by supporting such an investigation.

    By Anonymous Doug, at 1:52 AM, March 24, 2005  

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    que lava a cara, que lava os olhos
    que lava a rata e os entrefolhos
    que lava a nabiça e os agriões
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    que lava as damas e o que está vago
    pois lava as mamas e por onde cago.
    Meus senhores aqui está a água
    que rega a salsa e o rabanete
    que lava a língua a quem faz minete
    que lava o chibo mesmo da rasca
    tira o cheiro a bacalhau da lasca
    que bebe o homem que bebe o cão
    que lava a cona e o berbigão
    Meus senhores aqui está a água
    que lava os olhos e os grelinhos
    que lava a cona e os paninhos
    que lava o sangue das grandes lutas
    que lava sérias e lava putas
    apaga o lume e o borralho
    e que lava as guelras ao caralho
    Meus senhores aqui está a água
    que rega as rosas e os manjericos
    que lava o bidé, lava penicos
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    dá de beber às fressureiras
    lava a tromba a qualquer fantoche e
    lava a boca depois de um broche.

    Aproveita a água!

    By Anonymous Celine, at 1:53 AM, March 24, 2005  

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    By Anonymous Celine, at 1:54 AM, March 24, 2005  

  • Doug,
    Armies/Governments in this case, Israel is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. The IDF has nothing to hide in this case. If the IDF or any government granted independent investigations to whomever requested one then where do you draw the line? Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel etc will be filled with investigators. The Corrie family is understandably upset, they loved their daughter, a "brave activist" and she's gone. But there is no huge conspiracy or cover-up, no guilt, just tragedy. Corrie was in the wrong place at the wrong time. In the business world this can result in losing your job. In Gaza it can cost you your life. many activists (and their parents) romantacize about being "out on the front", confronting the "evils" they are fighting and in my opinion don't properly understand or weigh the dangers involved. I'm sorry Corrie is dead, but sometimes that is how these things go down in the real, cruel world- she played with fire and got burned.

    By Blogger Giza, at 2:43 AM, March 24, 2005  

  • Giza,

    I accept that Corrie put herself in harm's way, and her parents should too. Nevertheless, I want to say that as longtime American supporter of Israel, I find it upsetting that you, as an Israeli soldier who's been there and seen what it's like, oppose an investigation into the circumstances around the girl's death. As I said, opposing such an investigation just makes it seem like Israel has something to hide here, and I hope that is not the case. I don't agree with the aims of her organization, but she is still an American citizen and I expect our government and the Israeli government to make every effort to investigate fully. For some reason the parents feel this has not been done. Let them be satisfied everything has been done to uncover the truth, and then the matter can be put to rest.

    By Anonymous Doug, at 3:55 AM, March 24, 2005  

  • Doug,
    I don't oppose an investigation. I think the IDF already conducted one and came to the conclusion that the D-9 driver followed procedures. I oppose having an additional independent one because the Corrie's were not pleased with the results of the one already conducted.

    By Blogger Giza, at 4:19 AM, March 24, 2005  

  • Giza,

    I'm glad to hear you don't oppose an investigation. Yes, the IDF did conduct an investigation, and it put my mind at rest until the British activist Tom Hurndall's family got it uncovered that the army had in fact lied when it claimed Hurndall had a weapon and was wearing camo when he was killed. In fact he was wearing orange and was unarmed, the bedouin soldier who shot him admitted. It was only due to British government pressure that the truth was revealed, and now the soldier is on trial, as he should be, instead of the whole IDF. Likewise, Mr. Corrie, who commanded a military bulldozer unit in VietNam, was unsatisfied with the materials they were given from the Israeli investigation. Given what happened in the Hurdall case, I can see why the Corries are concerned. This is why it is best to just cooperate fully until all parties are satisfied, or the army will get blamed for the actions of a few. As you say, there is nothing to cover up, so let them see what they like.

    By Anonymous Doug, at 6:08 AM, March 24, 2005  

  • Moving away from the topic a bit but I was wondering about the Israeli army practice of demolishing the houses of Palestinian militants as well as suspected ones, as a short of collective punishment.
    I feel that it can be counterproductive. I talked to an Indian army officer once and he told me that they had used similar tactics in Kashmir and stopped when they found out they only alienated the people even more – and swelling the ranks of the separatists.

    By Blogger Adam, at 2:02 PM, March 27, 2005  

  • Hello readers,
    I've just reached home, and I'm delighted to see my blog is filled with comments and visitors, I was probably linked somewhere, I'll check the logs, see what I missed on LGF and IsraellyCool and get back to blogging (hopefully) this evening.
    to "yeah". Thank you for the warm wishes of my death, I'll make sure the next idiot who tries to shoot me gets those warm regards along with a few bullets.

    To the person who posted the peice about how Corrie couldn't have been run over by a D9. That's correct, she didn't, but I can't see anything wrong with a soldier's action if she would've been ran over. It's her fault she didn't move away. Armored D9s have slow speeds and had she wanted to move she would've. I also feel that it would be stupid for the IDF to stop a terrorist thwarting operation of uncovering weapon smuggling tunnels just because some protestor decided to commit suicide.

    To ISMer
    You caught me, I'm acutally a brutal mossad spy who regularly chokes his enemies with kreplach and pretzels. I'm on my mission to take over the world by writing a blog.And part of the worldwide conspiracy which caused remoted controlled hamsters to fly 2 planes into the WTC. Now would be the time to put your tinfoil hat on.

    To Nemisis
    I find it far fetched to believe Rachel Corrie was mistrested in the hospital just for the sake of the media war. That kind of conpiracy theory is usualy reserved to the brainless nitwits who are too far left or right to understand anything going on around them. (see ISMer here thinking I'm a government agent, ever heard of Blogger templates, dude?)

    to Doug
    The time for an independent investigation has come and passed. Any investigation carried out now would be biased. Noone stopped them from carrying out an international investigation. The area in question (Rafah) is controlled by the Palestinian authority, and has rare incursions by the IDF during anti-terrorist operations.
    In any case, I don't see anything to research here, because as I said, had Rachel Corrie wanted to move, she would've. It's like a man standing in front of a running train, there's no fault here but on the idiot who didn't move. She wanted to be a human shield, well that occupation has hazards to it, and I'm sure she was aware of those before she made her choice.

    and finally to Adam
    The house demolition policy as controversial as it is, has undoubtedly saved lifes. There have been numerous reports of parents who stopped their children from comitting suicide simply to keep their houses, I would advise you to search the web for interviews with Mr. Sarasara, Hazem's father who stated in numerous interviews that had his son known his suicide would leave them homeless he wouldn't have done it.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 8:08 PM, March 27, 2005  

  • Thanks for your blog and recent intervention on Jewschool. I think you've covered all the bases.

    Just one thing, for the record: didn't Israel put an end to the policy of house demolitions in mid-February?

    Habibi

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:47 PM, March 27, 2005  

  • The Israeli military put an end to punitive demolitions of the homes of Palestinian militants in February because the Israeli military finally concluded that home demolitions are not a deterrent. So the Israeli military leadership disagrees with our soldier.

    Of course, before the Israeli military put an end to this policy, most all of the world knew that home demolition was not a deterrent and that it simply created more violence. It doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist....

    Demolishing the homes of militants is and has always been, a violation of international law. Collectively punishing the family of militants for acts that the family did not commit is illegal, immoral and backfires by creating more anger. Did anyone demolish the family home of Yigal Amir ? Baruch Goldstein ? Of course not.

    But what may be most important is that a number of organizations have documented that only about 5% of the 12,000 Palestinian homes that Israel has demolished are homes of Palestinian militants. Thus Israel only committed to stopping 5% of its home demolitions. 95% of the demolitions - conducted because of "lack of permits" (which are impossible to get), or to create "open areas" for the military, etc., will continue.

    So don't applaud the Israeli government too much for bowing to international law and common sense by stopping the demolition of militants homes. 95% of the demolitions of Palestinian homes will continue.

    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:12 AM, March 28, 2005  

  • i regret to inform you that ISMer is right, and i know this as i am a volunteer with the israeli committee against house demolitions and have witnessed a number of civilian home demolitions with my own eyes.

    the vast majority of homes demolished by the israeli government have naught to do with terrorism and the fact of the matter is that the israeli government never once claimed that the home rachel corrie was defending was in any way linked to a terrorist or terrorism. they were intending to demolish it as part of the creation of a "buffer zone", which is more or less israeli newspeak for forced transfer.

    arik ascherman of rabbis for human rights recently did the very same thing rachel corrie did -- he blocked a bulldozer that was about the demolish a civilian home. but as he was an israeli rabbi, he was merely arrested (and let off the hook) as opposed to corrie who, in the name of justice, paid with her life.

    as per your original post on anti-wall demonstrators, which harry linked to on jewschool, i will soon have videos of anti-wall demonstrations posted up on jewschool, which show both israelis and palestinians participating, and which shows the entirely disproportionate response of the IDF to such non-violent civil disobedience, which includes shooting children in the face with tear gas canisters and rubber bullets.

    By Blogger Mobius, at 1:38 PM, March 28, 2005  

  • So, Mobius, bufferzones have nothing to do with fighting terror.

    Aha.......

    As for "Rabbid" Asherman, yes, he was arrested. What does that have to do with Saint pancake.

    I wish you and your ilk a life of rubber bullets and misery.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:18 PM, March 28, 2005  

  • House demolitions aren't effective? Palestinian parents disagree:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,60395,00.html
    "Israel has demolished the family homes of 21 bombers in recent days. Palestinian spokesmen say this only increases the bombers' willingness to attack Israel, but in at least two cases this week, fathers prevented their sons from volunteering.

    One man turned his son over to the police in Tulkarem, while another in Nablus shot his son in the leg.

    Sarasara said he didn't know his son planned to be a bomber, and therefore couldn't stop him. He also questioned whether his son would have carried out the mission had he known the Israelis would retaliate by tearing down his father's house. "

    Right, not working at all, so this is why Palestinians got all of a sudden so anti terrorism, giving their kids out to the police.

    And as for "rabbi" Ashermann, I'm not familiar with the case, but here's what I have to say. Anyone stupid enough to stand infront of a running bulldozer and not move over, should get bulldozed and not have his idiot genes pollute the gene pool. If you are indeed right and Asherman was in a similar position Pancake Corrie stood in (which I sincerely doubt), I believe the IDF should regret on not bulldozing him.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 12:46 AM, March 29, 2005  

  • Maybe presenting Rachel Corrie as a propaganda tool was a bit far-fetched... but then again, I was just theorizing a little. By the way, I wasn't saying she was mistreated in the hospital. By the way, on the subject of her injuries, are there any pictures that could support the mainstream theory that she was run down by the bulldozer?

    By the way, if she was actually just hit by the blade, isn't the name "pancake Corrie" a bit incorrect, no matter how funny it is?...

    By Blogger Nemesis6, at 6:59 PM, April 09, 2005  

  • I'm glad she's dead. She was not only an idiot, she was a dangerous idiot. Sadly, there are tens of thousands more just like her being cranked out of our universities. She supported and enabled murderers. Leftists, would you like it to be YOUR child who is murdered by an Arab terrorist? Is that what it takes? There is a Chinese proverb, "the fool learns by experience." Don't be a fool.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:30 PM, April 12, 2005  

  • What I'd really like to see is Israel suing the Corries. Now, that would be a justified legal case. Her inanity and death has cost Israel precious money it does not have to spend on such nonsense.

    I would like to see moral people everywhere fighting back against Leftist extremism and fascism and anti-semitism. Let's be honest--that's exactly what it is.

    Signed, a Card-Carrying Democrat, still

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:37 PM, April 12, 2005  

  • To ISMer

    You said

    "Rachel Corrie was simply run over by an Israeli military bulldozer that knew she was there, as much as some are in denial or wish to discredit those telling the truth. Rachel was standing in the same place in view of the bulldozer for a good period of time."

    Very interesting, one of your friends said.

    "Rachel sat down in the pathway of the bulldozer . . . [It] continued driving forward headed straight for Rachel. When it got so close that it was moving the earth beneath her, she climbed onto the pile of rubble being pushed by the bulldozer. She got so high onto it that she was at eye-level with the cab of the bulldozer. . . . "

    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie)

    So which is it, was she standing or was she sitting?

    Hey lets all give a story.

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