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Monday, March 14, 2005

A typical protest Part I - on the way to a protest.

I have been in the IDF for a while now, and more than half of my service is behind me. I've served in some of the worst protest scenes against the fence, most of which you hear on the news. It's too hard and legnthly to describe every protest I've been to, as there is probably more than a dozen of such. But I will try to describe some characteristics most of those protests share.
First of all there are the signs. The protests are scheduled, and signs and stickers often show up on Palestinian cars, buildings and roadsigns, giving the date and hour of the next protest. On the day of the protest the flow of people begins. First comes the press. You immideatly see a rise in the number of cars which have "TV" or "Press" written on them. There are so many you can't imagine, if it's a major protest, there could be up to 50 different reporters, not counting their crews. I've been to a few demonstrations, where the number of reporters was bigger than the number of protesters.
Then the freaks start showing up. First come the Israeli anarchists. Living freakshows every one of them. They look like a bad accident between too much hair, and not enough soap. Now look here, before the army, I had lots of hair, but I swear to god, I did not look like that. These kids look like they're in highschool, or draft dodgers who sold some lame excuse to the military or just refused to serve in the IDF. They arrive by public transport to the nearest settlement (leaving nasty graffiti like "IDF nazis" ETC calling on soldiers to refuse) and walk their way to IDF checkpoints. This is where the mess begins. As illegal protests usually take place in closed military zones, we know not to allow people in, they usually run and ignore the soldiers or try their way to walk around the checkpoint (in sections where the barrier hasn't been built yet) to the closest arab village and hitchhike, or catch a Palestinian taxi from there. Yes, that's right, Israelis volunatarily walking into villages every wall of which has HAMAS sprayed on it, to catch a taxi. It takes guts to do something like that. Guts or stupidity. My bet is on the second option.
The look they have is one of spoiled kids. Checking their ID's, most of them come from northern Tel Aviv, or subrubia, and although their look of choice is one of a hobo who have never heard the words "shampoo" or "deodorant", they appear to have quite an expensive choice of shoes, various CD players, ETC. The funny thing here is this: I've never seen any Israeli Arabs on those protests. I guess they know which company to keep better than rich spoiled Israelis.
There's no use of actualy talking or having a conversation with that kind. For people who believe in anarchy, they seem to have a preset thinking, and preset responses for any question asked.
Then the Internationals begin arriving. Usualy the internationals come from the arab villages. They travel via Palestinian controlled roads, and not via the mixed Israeli and Palestinian roads which are secured by the IDF. But in certain incidents, like travelling from large Palestinian town to another, they have no alternative route but to pass on a mixed road. This usually happens to those heading to Budrus or Bil'in. Also, it's sometimes easier to get to the work site from the Israeli side of the barrier rather than the Palestinian one.

A regular collection of pro-Palestinian protestors. This is a fine
example of the "freaks" I was describing.

These people come from all over the place, from Norway to the USA, from Sweden to Brasil. Usually they say they're tourists going to Jerusalem/Tel-Aviv (depending on the place of the demonstration). These people are usualy the ones who will later incite the violence, and slowly, you learn to recognize them. You basicly learn to know who's who. You learn to recognize Huwaida Arraf, and Adam Shapiro (who I haven't seen in a while, he might've got deported or jailed but I shouldn't get my hopes too high), Laila and ofcourse Lazer: A beast of a man with the looks and intelligence of an average mountain gorilla which discovered the wonders of hairdye and bandanas but obviously not those of having daily showers. Coming to think of it, he rarely speaks, usualy it's just various forms of grunts. I can't say there are too many of them, they make much more noise than their numbers, and usualy re the leaders of the protests. Chasing them around is outright impossible, no matter how many times you stop them from crossing, they'll always find a way in.
Then there's the fringe groups, which may or may not show up. "Women in black", which is probably the only truly non-violent organisation out there, and various leftist groups like "Gush Shalom" or "Peace Now".
And ofcourse, last but not least are the Palestinians themselves. Usualy kids and students, but sometimes mature men and women. They don't have to cross checkpoints, they just come straight from the villages and towns they live in to the protest site.
It's rare for many Israelis to arrive to a protest, usualy those are just Palestinians and a few Internationals.
Once these people cross, you know trouble is on its way. It's just a matter of time, till the first reports of disturbance begin.


  • Hi,

    it's interesting to read about these protests from a soldier's point of view. I am a bit ashamed for my countrymen/women (I'm from Sweden) who go to these protests. Here we are only fed one side of the story through our media (mainly thanks to TT), but it is thanks to blogs such as yours that people around the world will get a chance to see the whole picture. Keep on writing!

    By Anonymous Elin Eliasson, at 12:40 AM, March 16, 2005  

  • Hi,

    it's interesting to read about these protests from a soldier's point of view. I am a bit ashamed for my countrymen/women (I'm from Sweden) who go to these protests. Here we are only fed one side of the story through our media (mainly thanks to TT), but it is thanks to blogs such as yours that people around the world will get a chance to see the whole picture. Keep on writing!

    By Anonymous Elin Eliasson, at 12:41 AM, March 16, 2005  

  • Hi, Kol Ahkavod on the military service

    I have some questions questions

    How common is it for these protestors to be violent? Such as do they through rocks often, and etc.

    Which groups are the most violent? Are the foriegners usually the ones that start or are groups like the ISM or Israeli "peace/anarchist" the ones who start.

    And finally when these protests occur is it possible for you or someone else to take pictures/video tape the protests? Or even do a voice recording. I just want to know, because if more people honestly saw what these "peace protesters" actually did, rather than just have your word versus their's could really help show whats really happening not just what CNN put's on TV.

    If you could it would be great if you posted it here or better yet ask Charles from LGF to post it.

    Anyways thank you for what your doing, stay safe.

    From manker

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:00 PM, March 22, 2005  

  • Very interesting and it begs the question, how do you resist the urge to punch them in their self-righteous faces?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:17 PM, March 22, 2005  

  • Very interesting
    When are you posting the 2nd part?

    By Anonymous Michal, at 7:47 PM, March 22, 2005  

  • Hey, Lazer is a very nice and intelligent guy who just takes his non-violent protesting seriously. Not all you guys look so slick or intelligent in your uniforms you know. We could poke fun and insult as well.

    I'll be interested to hear how our blogger claims the protesters use violence. Do we violently cough when teargassed ? Violently put our hands in front of our faces when clubbed by soldiers ? Violently duck when shot at ? And how do we incite violence ?

    Inquiring minds want to know.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:49 PM, March 22, 2005  

  • This post would be more useful if you would refrain form calling people mountain gorillas and questioning whether they use soap.

    It would also be better if you would include specifics. Quote all of the nasty comments cpmparing Israeli security officers with Nazis. Explain in detail the ISM use of violence.

    Insulting them hurts the argument you are making. Detail on their behavior invalidates their actions and protestations of "peaceful" intentions.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:57 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Do they actually disrupt the construction of the fence or is it all for the cameras?

    Avi S

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:16 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Yes, please do explain in detail "the ISM use of violence" as requested by one of the posters above. That will be really enlightening.

    In a March 18, 2005 Ha'aretz Daily article "Who Shot Brian Avery", the spokesman for the Israeli "Judea and Samaria" police said that, "Beyond occasional arrests in demonstrations over the separation fence, we do not encounter problems of violence or illegal weapons on the part of the international activists in the territories."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:09 PM, March 23, 2005  

  • Thank you all for commenting
    To manker
    I'm afraid there isn't much photographing to do while I'm on the field. that would be unproffesional, but we do have people doing that, but I'm not sure that getting those films would be easy.

    To Michal
    As soon as I get myself updated on everything I missed in the army. Please remember I do not get home often which is exactly the reason this blog isn't updated daily.

    To ISMer
    That would be shown and told in part 2. Lazer is a freaky ghoul, and I stand behind what I said. For a "non-violent" protestor, he has a good right punch, trust me, I felt it.

    to the person who wanted me to stop refering to people as mountain gorillas. My goal isn't to please you, I'm here to say (or write in this case) what I think on issues. And those are my thought on the issue of the ISM scum running around the security fence.

    to Avi
    They may disrupt the construction for a few hours, it continues the minute the protest stops. Usually the Police and IDF stops the idiots from reaching the actual construction site.

    to Anynmous who has written about Haaretz daily. out of all the protests I've been to as a soldier, only one ended without violence, and even that was only because it was Mustafa's Barghouti campaign trip and not a protest handled by foreigners from ISM. Every single ISM protest I've handled I've been attacked by rocks, punches, people attempting to take away my rifle and in a number of occasions molotov coctails thrown at me. Non-violence has nothing to do with neither ISM nor those protests.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 8:44 PM, March 27, 2005  

  • You know, shooting the protesters would guarantee they never return. Seriously, they wouldn't dare pull this shit over the security fence in Kashmir or Saudi Arabia. Why does Israel tolerate it?

    Hell, why does Israel tolerate the Philistinians?! Any other country in the world would have exterminated them decades ago. Then you wouldn't even need the fence!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:07 PM, March 27, 2005  

  • Israel is building the fence inside occupied territory, separating farmers from thier field, villages from their water supplies. it could have chosen to build the fence on the Green Line, and no one would've complained. that was its original path when the fence was suggested in '02, and the GSS said it would have worked there. Its current path is designed to leave palestinian resources on israel's side and palestinians on the other. this is theft, and soldier, you're participating in it. did you ever think about the lives you are destroying?

    I used to always defend Israel, but this fence taught me Israel is more interested in stealing land than in saving lives.

    why does the world tolerate this?

    By Anonymous pist jew, at 1:37 AM, March 28, 2005  

  • Welcome back.

    I've seen Lazer and the Israeli anarchists at many protests, and I've never seen any of them use any violence. I did a single time see an Israeli anarchist and a soldier push one another. I've seen a few of the anarchists yell loudly at soldiers in Hebrew. In short, despite your claim, based on my experience (which is more than yours), the Israeli anarchists DO NOT USE VIOLENCE ! The Israeli military does, however, use violance most of the time.

    ISM requires that all volunteers commit to non-violence. If any ISMer violates that commitment and that is brought to the attention of ISM, they are expelled from ISM. This policy is seriously enforced. Use of violence is a violation of ISM principles and also endangers us all.

    The type of non-violence we are engaged in, however, involves actively confronting the military occupation, like the non-violence used in South Africa, in the US civil rights moevement and against British colonialism in India. It does not involve standing at a distance and clapping and passively accepting the havoc the Israeli military wreaks. Passive clapping and singing is probably your mistaken conception of "non-violence".

    Marchers try to walk by and through lines of armed soldiers, as you know, to reach the bulldozers and stop construction. This absolutely does not, however, involve hitting or striking soldiers. I have never seen or heard of an ISMer hitting a soldier. I have, however, been hit by soldiers, choked, pushed, hit with rifles, teargassed, hit with sound bombs, shot at, etc., as we tried to march past lines of soldiers. I have only twice (and in only one single village)seen Palestinians punch soldiers in the face during shoving matches.

    Again, the Israeli military uses violence to stop protests against construction of a wall on Palestinian land, a wall that has been ruled illegal under international law because it is on Palestinian land, a wall that does not need to be on Palestinian land. Israeli soldiers are defending an illegal wall by using violence against peaceful protesters.

    I have seen Palestinians throw rocks at soldiers a few times during, but mostly after non-violent protests. During marches I have never seen Palestinian youths begin throwing stones without the Israeli military first using violence (though I have heard of one single case where that did happen, against the orders of the march organizers of course). Almost invariably what happens is that soldiers first use clubs and/or teargas, and/or rubber-coated steel bullets. After that, sometimes, Palestinian youth respond by throwing rocks. Rockthrowing is absolutely not done in agreement with the ISM, and generally is not agreed to by the village leadership. But when soldiers start using lots of violence, sometimes village leaders cannot control the youth. By throwing rocks after a military onslaught on marchers begins, some youth believe they are protecting the marchers and allowing them to escape from the military violence and arrest.

    Also, what sometimes happens is that after protests end, when the marchers are leaving or have left, the Palestinian kids and soldiers hang around watching each other. The young, macho boys on each side (Armed Israeli soldiers and unarmed Palestinian youths) are each waiting, and some are looking for a confrontation. Usually the soldiers start it by attacking, and/or driving into the village, and occassionaly the boys might start first by throwing rocks. In all cases, the Israeli military is acting provocatively by placing large numbers of armed soldiers on Palestinian land and inside Palestinian villages.

    Our soldier friend has written that most protests end with violence. He did not comment on who initiates that violence. That is because, when violance occurs, it is because the Israeli military generally initiates violence and manages to provoke young Palestinian boys into throwing stones.

    If you ever had a molotov cocktail thrown at you, it was when you drove into or went on foot into the village. It was not at a protest. That simply does not happen.

    Dear soldier, more than anyone else, you know that I am describing events at protests accurately. There is a pretty well-known script at this point. You don't really have a defense for your actions. At wall protests you are heavily armed men using violence against a peaceful, civilian population in order to steal their land.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:49 AM, March 28, 2005  

  • to the person who choses to call himself "pist jew"Israel is building the fence where it fits its security needs. It's not a political fence, it's a security fence, its goal is not to set Israel's future borders, but to prevent from mass murderers to cross into Israel and kill as many innocent people as they can.
    The main criticism raised against the fence is not that it's being built on occupied territory, the main criticism is that it "harms palestinian economy" by stopping illegal Palestinian workers from crossing into Israel.
    May you also notice that the fiercest area of anti-fence protest (Budrus) happened not where it crossed deep into occupied territory, but where it is charted DIRECTLY on the green line.The only reason to protest in Budrus against the fence is if you like seeing the mutilated bodies of Israeli victims of terrorism.

    and to ISMer,
    You are unfortunately wrong. The violence begins when the protestors attempt to violently break the IDF's ranks and walk into the construction area of the anti terrorism barrier.
    They use violence, and it's documented in numerous occasions, which I will discuss in my next post.
    The moltov coctail was thrown at me down from the hill at Budrus (if you've ever been in the area, you'd know what I'm talking about). The IDF doesn't keep large quantities of soldiers inside villages, but even if we the soldiers do go inside those villages, that would be no cause to attack them with violent means, as those entrances to the villages are mostly for patrol purposes. Do you think shooting at police cars patrolling bad neighbourhoods is legitimate too?

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 12:36 PM, March 28, 2005  

  • Dear soldier, it would be good to learn more about Palestinians and why they are protesting. The principle reason Palestinians are protesting against the Wall is because it is being built on their land. This is a simple fact, and not really open to argument. Just talk to a few thousand Palestinians in villages where they are protesting and you will learn that. It is difficult to believe that you could be unaware of this. Actually, it is frightening that you could be unaware of this.

    Some Palestinians (and Israelis) do additionally object to the existance of a Wall anywhere. However, the reason Palestinians are protesting and risking their bodies and lives is because their farmland, olive trees, and livelihood are threatened with theft. This is the same reason most of the world opposes the Wall and that the International Court of Justice ruled the Wall illegal - LAND THEFT.

    Budrus began protesting the wall because the wall threatened to cut off 20% of their land, and Budrus and seven other villages were to have been encircled and cut off from the rest of the West Bank by the Wall. Through their continued protests Budrus has managed to force the Wall back and save 95% of that 20% of their land that was threatened. Since you seemingly have never talked with a Palestinian, google Ayed Morrar (leader from Budrus) and read the numerous news articles, the interviews and his own writing that explains why they are protesting. Yes, the 150 meters that Budrus tore down were on the Green Line, but that was the exception and a spontaneous response to continued Israeli military violence.

    Throwing things from on the hill in Budrus occurs during confrontations between the Israeli military and Budrus' young men in the scenarios I described above, not during protests. This hill, for those who do not know, is within 10 meters of the edge of the village. So soldier, why are you and your friends hanging out with your rifles 20- 40 meters from the village's school ?

    Israeli soldiers enter a Palestinian village to patrol, like police ? This is a very funny way to conceive of what you are doing - an occupying military force entering the homes of another people. You often come to arrest, shoot at and harass Palestinian civilans. To take the Budrus example, you have entered the village, and arrested five community leaders (and many others) for leading peaceful protests. Israeli judges eventually ordered them freed saying they said they could not be held for leading peaceful protests and because there was no serious evidence against them (read the Israeli press). Numerous times the army has entered villages like Budrus and forced families from their homes during day and night. Do you really expect Palestinians then to welcome you when you come into arrest, harass and attack civilans ?

    Finally, when marchers reach the line of soldiers, the marchers try to continue through, using non-violent means, not by striking anyone. At this point the soldiers usually begin beating and clubbing civilians, throwing soundbombs and teargassing them and arresting them (though often the soldiers will teargas and shoot from a distance before marchers reach the line of soldiers).

    You are defending land theft. You are armed with and use the latest military gear, and you use disproportionate violence. You are attacking peacful civilians who are defending their rights with only their bodies. Remind us why we should sympathize with you ? The only reason we might sympathize a bit is because your government has asked you to perform immoral and illegal acts. But you forfeit that sympathy because you seem to believe in what your government has asked you to do, and you follow those immoral orders.

    As another friend noted, numerous videotapes bear out what we are saying about soldiers conduct. You are in a bit of a bad spot now that others who have been at these protests can describe what really happens at them.

    And what about the quote from Ha'aretz from a senior West Bank police spokesperson who says that the international activists do not use violence (google "Who Shot Brian Avery?") ?


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:09 PM, March 28, 2005  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:57 PM, March 28, 2005  

  • By the way, the protest photo our soldier/blogger has posted is from a protest in Budrus against the arrest of yet another one of Budrus' non-violent community leaders, Ahmed Awad. Like Budrus' other community leaders, Ahmed Awad was arrested by the Israeli military for leading his community in peaceful protests against the Wall and against Israeli land theft. Awad was eventually released (after I forgot how many days in prison) because of international and local outcry and because there was, once again, no evidence against him (google Ahmed Awad Budrus to find article by Amira Hass in Ha'aretz, and others). Awad was simply arrested for helping to lead his community in peaceful protest against more Israeli land theft (remember the settlers and settlements everyone ?).

    And gee, it sure looks like the Israeli anarchists are behaving cruelly and using a lot of violence in the photo our soldier/blogger has chosen, doesn't it ? Looks a bit like classic civil disobedience to me - lying on the ground, arms locked together and protesting the immoral and illegal arrest of a man who was leading his community in peaceful protest against more Israeli land theft. Somehow our soldier/blogger friend must believe that this photo helps prove his case against the Israeli protesters ? What because some of the protesters have long hair ? have not shaven ? Cover their mouths with scarves ? Are not wearing business suits ?

    I must admit that in the photo our soldier/blogger has posted in an effort to support his case, the soldiers do not appear to be using excessive force against peaceful protesters. It would have been a tiny bit stupid for him to have posted a photo showing soldiers beating protesters or shooting at them.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:23 PM, March 28, 2005  

  • to ISMer
    I'd like to note a few points which you either got incorrect or deliberately lied about in your post.
    As someone who lives here, and lived here for most of his childhood and adult life I believe I've talked to a bit more Palestinians, Israeli Arabs, Beduins, Duruz than you have talked in your whole life. The basic cause of the protest is Palestinians viewing the fence as taking the land they claim is theirs (for which there is mostly no legal backing, andsome of that land was actualy bought by the JNF during the 20s).
    As you're well aware, the society in the region of nowadays Israel, Palestinian authority and Jordan in the beggining of the century was that of rich landowners living far away and poor farmers working that land for virtually nothing. The jews have bought the land from its owners, so landtheft is an irrelevant term here.
    Another point would be that on sections where the fence's building takes away palestinian land, the owner is compensated, it's not take for nothing deal and you know it.
    Specificly in the Budrus, and Midya regions, many olive grove owners have accepted compensations and agreed for the Israeli government to move their trees into the Palestinian side of the fence. On such occasions, even though the owner of the trees and land was fairly compensated and agreed to the transfer of trees, the ISM has showed up and had its activists along with anarchists and Palestinians to violently protest. In one such protest a fellow soldier in my platoon got a rock in his face and lost his left eye.
    And I repeat the point, there's no doubt that so far, the point of most protests, and most violent protests out there was and still is Budrus. I also repeat that within 4-5 miles radio of Budrus the fence is DIRECTLY on the Green Line. There's nothing to protest there, unless you take in acount the actual intention of it. Crossing illegaly into Israel for a job. Same goes for Midya.
    The Israeli soldiers enter the villages and towns to patrol, yes. Among our missions is returning stolen cars, which you know that Budrus has plenty of. There's nothing whatsoever in the Geneva Convention that forbid an occupying force of patrolling the streets of villages and towns. And there is also nothing violent in such actions which would call for a firebomb thrown at me.
    And yes, when arrests have to be made, Arrests will be made. At night or at day, the criminals will not be safe, whether they have families or not. Why don't you tell the people of the regular arrests the IDF made too. of the Necrophiliac arrested in Ni'ilin by the IDF. Of regular petty criminals arrested in the villages, and not just terrorist masterminds, many of whom are indeed that.
    Your claim that protestors don't take violent steps is also, false. As I've said, I've personally been attacked by Lazer, and the description of the Protestors being non-violent is laughable at best. The reason the media images are mostly showing IDF soldiers attacking palestinians and not vice versa is the fact that photographers are largely Palestinian (not of Palestinian descent, but Palestinians living right there in the west bank), employed on the scene by an international company, such as Reuters, AP and AFP. The media's way of covering these protests is very biased, and you know it.
    I'm here to protect my country, what my government does is legitimate, legal and moral. I'm confident, above anything else of Israel's higher moral values compared to the Palestinian society and other countries where it is legitimate to lynch unfaithfull wives, send your kids to die for heavenly virgins and attack innocent women and children simply for being of certain descent. I'm not asking for your sympathy, and sincerely don't care much for it. I beleive the sympathy comes from me being on the frontlines of the war on terror, and you being a whiney bag on the internet, occasionaly going to protest where you attack soldiers who you know won't use real bullets on you. Had protestors been shot on the first sign of attacking an IDF soldier, I doubt any of you people would show up.
    I don't care about Haaretz quotes, as I said, I'm not the mass media, I'm there, in the field, seeing this with my very own eyes. I know better than both Haaretz, AP, Reuters, because I'm there, I'm part of the story, I'm not reading some reports, I'm watching it with my own eyes.
    The reason I picked the photo was not to discuss Awwad, but to show what protestors look like. Rich, spoiled kids. And Lazer is right there in the center.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 7:12 PM, March 28, 2005  

  • Our blogger/soldier does not know where the Green Line is. Palestinians who own the land know exactly where it is (as do international organizations and Israel's Ministry of Defense). As I wrote, Budrus was to lose 20% of it's land to Wall construction because the Wall was not being built on the Green Line. As a result of protests, Budrus' residents have pushed the Wall back so that they are now only losing 5% of that 20% (1% of their land). Of course they should not lose that 1% of their land either and have the right to continue to protest that. The Wall's location in Budrus can be verified by looking at, among other places, the Wall maps on the B'Tselem website( B'Tselem has recently posted a new map comparing the revised MoD February, 2005 Wall route with the August, 2003 Wall route. This shows the recent shift in the Wall's path at Budrus that I have described.

    Some people whose land is being stolen from them by force to build the Wall may have accepted some financial compensation when they felt they had no other option. This does not make the land theft legal or moral.

    "Arrests will be made" - Thank you for protecting the Palestinian people from car thieves (who have Israeli counterparts of course). I'm sure they really appreciate the raids to do that. I'm sure they appreciate the arrests of Budrus protest leaders Ayed Morrar, Na'im Morrar, Nasser Morrar and Ahmed Awad. Remind us how they are criminals who you must arrest ? And was it really necessary to enter Budrus two weeks ago in the middle of the night and raid homes to chase some boys who may or may not be involved in throwing stones ? Was it essential to the security of the state of Israel to do the same over the last days in Bil'in ?

    Our blogger/soldier is defending the West Bank settlements when he claims land was "legally purchased". This is based on his highly unusual (and blatantly incorrect) understanding of international law and specifically of the Geneva Conventions. Israel's settlements are clearly a violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. Stealing another people's land, however you do it, is not OK.

    Our his posting on the Geneva Conventions our soldier/blogger asserts that settlers "just moved to the West Bank" and were not transferred there by the government, and that therefore they are not there in violation of international law. This is a rather humorous piece of self-deception and obfuscation. Let me suggest you do not attempt a career in law !

    So, soldier/blogger, you now must admit that you support the settlements. Let's hear your explanation for that ?


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:14 PM, March 28, 2005  

  • Our blogger/soldier is defending the West Bank settlements when he claims land was "legally purchased". This is based on his highly unusual (and blatantly incorrect) understanding of international law and specifically of the Geneva Conventions. Israel's settlements are clearly a violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. .

    It would be interesting to read this ISM'ers understanding of the law and their background, but they do not give it likely because they do not have the background to truly discuss it.

    They are merely regurgitating propaganda that they have heard.

    By Blogger Jack's Shack, at 7:27 PM, April 17, 2005  

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