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Saturday, April 09, 2005

Lunatics, that's all.

Tommorow the radical Revava movement is planning to get 10,000 Jews to the Temple Mount for a mass prayer, a step which might incite violence throughout the West Bank and Gaza. The Temple Mount or mount Moriyah is the place where both of the Jewish temples existed, and according to Judaic tradition and scripts the place where Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac, and the place where Noah's arc found dryland at the end of the Deluge. According to Islamic tradition it is the place where Muhammed ascended to heaven (though it would be fair to mentioned that neither the temple mount nor Jerusalem are mentioned in the Koran by name). According to Christian scripture, it's the place where Jesus faced the money changers, and where he will return when the temple is rebuilt. In short, It's about the holiest place out there.
The current situation on the mount is that the Islamic Waqf took control of it, destroys Judaic antiques and claims the temple never existed there. Because the mount is placed directly above the Western Wall, rocks are often thrown from it and police has to storm the compound to stop Palestinians from harming worshippers. Jewish prayers on the mount are rare an untraditional because according to Jewish tradition, setting foot upon the mountain is forbidden. You see, the temple included a chamber named "holy of hollies" where according to Jewish tradition God's spirit rested. Noone except the Great Cohen could enter that room. As long as temple isn't rebuilt, stepping on that mountain might get you in the place where that room existed, which is forbidden in Judaism, this is why most rabbis agree that Jews shouldn't go to the Temple mount.
So here come a band of loons from Revava, trying to incite the situation and get the terrorists to thwart the disengagement by mass murder (and we all know, that's exactly what's going to happen if these idiots get up there). They're threatening to attack policemen who came there to stop them from ruining every chance for a cease fire we're ever going to have.
I completely support the right of Jews or anyone else for that matter to go up the temple mount. But this is outright teasing to get Jihadis crazed and more Jews killed. It's sad to know such morons exist on our side as well, and it is my sincere hope that if any of them raise a finger on an IDF soldier or a policemen they'll get what they had coming.


  • I agree with over all, I feel that they shouldn't go there because it just gives the Jihadists an excuse. But I feel that no one should be threatened to keep them from going to their holy place. (Also I feel that the waqf should be removed, because of the damage he is doing).

    But just to make a side point. One of the excuses the terror groups used to start the intifada is Sharon's visit with like a 1,000 cops. If they had such a problem with the extra security why don't they have a problem with them now?

    By Anonymous Manker, at 6:48 PM, April 09, 2005  

  • I'm a very religious Jew. I personally see no need to go up to the Temple Mount at this time. Many, if not most, major rabbinocal leaders would not step foot on the Temple Mount.

    I do, however, feel that Israel being afraid of its own shadow is what will lead to more deaths down the not too distant road.

    Had Israel's government behaved in a minimally Jewish fashion, they would put the Waqf in their place and tell them their mount sovereignity party is over.

    If Har Habayit is not under our control, when we're right there, neither are the remaining parts of the country. And it's beginning to show.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:06 PM, April 10, 2005  

  • Of which 'Jewish fashion' are you speaking? The secular Zionist movement which ultimately enabled the creation of Israel invented the 'new Jew' - a Jew that would act opposite to the traditional Jewish habit of standing tall when others persecuted them.

    That Israel handed control of the Temple Mount to the Waqf is a reflection of the same quality that sees Arabs play in and score for the national football team of Israel, that saw Israel establish six universities in the territories, etc etc ad infinitum.

    It is this basic democratic quality to all people that makes me so proud to live in and support this country.

    By Blogger Bren, at 6:05 PM, April 11, 2005  

  • Bren, I suggest you read up on your Jewish history, both pre and post Galut. There were many opportunities where Jews stood up to their presecutors throughout our nation's history. There were also many a time and place where they simply couldn't.

    And by "Jewish fasion", I certainly do not limit myself to the love of the land of Israel but rather more to the love of the Jewish people and employing the traits of compassion, mercy and kindness, instead of the viciousness that one sees way too little of in the land of modern secularist Zionism.

    I have no idea what connection Arabs playing on Israeli soccer teams has to do with this. Do you mean to say that had we retained charge of Har Habayit in 1967, we wouldn't have non-Jews on our football teams? Amazing!

    I'm here for the Judaism, Bren. When democracy and Judaism collide, I have no hestitations of standing by Torah law. That's the only reason we're here. The rest is just super-irrational romanticism. The Arabs have already understood how hollow our current affiliation to Israel is. We Jews apparently haven't wisened up yet.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:47 PM, April 12, 2005  

  • Perhaps we misunderstand each other.

    For a start, however, I would like to point out that we are yet to arrive at such a time that might be considered 'post-Galut.'

    It is to the Jewish traits of compassion, mercy and kindness that I was referring to when I wrote of the Israeli decision to hand over control of the Temple Mount to the Waqf, post-Six Day War. In fact, it appears, sometimes, that the Jewish community (and Jewish history) have emphasised these traits over and above the more pragmatic traits of looking after one's own interests.

    Israel wanted to do the 'right thing' of itself and of the international community when it handed over the Temple Mount. With just a little hindsight, it's possible to see that perhaps this decision wasn't in Israel's best interest. (That's 'Israel' the secular state as opposed to 'Israel' the nation with an oft-overbearing conscience.)

    As to my link to football, I simply meant to indicate that Israel has kept its committments to itself and the world vis-a-vis Ben Gurion's declaration of independence. Political and civil rights are considered equally important for all ethnicities natively (and I use the term loosely) abiding in the Land of Israel. Thus, control of the Temple Mount is handed to the Waqf, thus Israeli Arabs are free to participate in all levels of Israel society, thus the Palestinians did better under direct Israeli administration than they have done at any other point in their 80-year existance, etc.

    The Tanakh is full of stories of Jews (both individually and collectively) standing up to oppresion. In the last 1,900 years, however, these stories have been somewhat reduced in frequency. It was the rejection of this pattern that formed the idea of the 'new Jew,' contrasted, in some respects, by the seeming 'lamb to the slaughter' character of the Jewish submission to Nazi persecution.

    Please, please, don't by any means think I am belittling or questioning the individual or collective decisions made by European Jews during the 1930s and '40s. Rather, I am putting forward the perception of many Palestinian Jews vis-a-vis their European brethren at that time.

    By Blogger Bren, at 3:42 AM, April 15, 2005  

  • to Anonymous,
    Supporting the Israeli sovereignity over the Temple Mount, and protesting the Waqf's tyreatment of this holy site is one thing. Supporting the Lunatics who have threatened to harm the muslim shrine there is another. It's one thing to be against the horrible treatment of holy sites we see under radical Islam, and another thing to try and drag the whole middle east into WW3.
    Also, I see the perception that Torah comes before Democracy as a dangerous, backwards opinion. Our democratic values is the most cherished thing in this country, without it, we're just another Iran.
    I too see myself as a traditional Jew, I believe in God, and keep most religious law (even though I do use a computer on Shabbat). But choosing to stand behind what's written in the Tanach instead of modern LAW is lunacy. If you'd do that, we'd all be executing gays and fortune tellers by now. Instead, our progressive, secular country, which incorporates what's good in judaism with what's good in democracy enables us to host the 2005 world gay pride parade, be proud of our Arab citiznes and their contributions to our culture and society, and live in a country worth fighting for.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 7:56 PM, April 15, 2005  

  • I'm an outsider (I'm not a jew, not arab, not palestinian, not caucasian) I wish to give a unbiased comments. I fully agreed with what anonymous last said. We are living in a modern world and should not adhere strictly to old teaching like Torah. Not saying we don't learn the good and moral stuff. By all means learn the Torah but when it goes against the modern law and decency we must choose the latter. We all intellectual which we can use to digest what is right and spill out the bad. I see the Isreal and Palestinian conflict as the saying goes an eye for an eye. Why can't live with compassion. Treat each human not like us and them but as brothers and sisters. I know it's not easy seeing so many people dying around you but you got to start. The alternative is another genocide. I said my peace and hope peace be with you and in your region.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:29 PM, May 03, 2005  

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