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Tuesday, May 24, 2005

Disengagement spam, or: This is NOT the way.

I've posted a few times here about my thoughts of the disengagement. I got plenty of responses, some people supported me, others criticized me. One of them must've subscribed me to the disengagement mailing list.
This is how, I returned from a week of doing 8 hour shifts on checkpoints, patrols and guard towers around the west bank to be spat on by some extremist settler. This is how me, who have spent quite a few years of my teenage life fighting on Internet chatrooms, forums and blogs trying to defend the country of Israel got home to discover that the people now shouting "Israel isn't a democracy" are Israelis. I have to say, this is one of the most virulent pieces of anti-Israeli propaganda, and it personally saddens me that this comes from people who call themselves Israeli patriots. Here's the document that waited for me in my mailbox. It's dated May 17, so I may be a little late.
"Can you Imagine a country where..." It starts right before employing some of the most common claims of the crazy jewhaters who roam the web. I'm posting the very best:
No matter which party is elected or what platform they ran on, you end up with the same failed policies (dictated by external powers?);
Just because the party YOU voted for lost doesn't mean the parties elected don't have the full support of the people. It's called democracy, you should learn ho that works.
The government controlled media (there are no private television and few private radio stations) report ?several thousand radicals protested today?? When in reality over two hundred thousand citizens participated in a quiet, well behaved demonstration;
The government doesn't control the media. There's a channel 1 which is an Israeli broadcasting channel, which the country has no control of other than appointing it's financial manager (which has little influence whatsoever on news reports). Then there are Channel 2 and Israel 10, both of which are privately owned. There also are hundreds of various private owned cable channels which don't host news editions. As for the radios, there are dozens of private radio stations and the settlers should be the last to complain after running their own pirate radio station named Arutz 7 (the International surfers would know them as the people who run, which other than committing various illegal actions is also partly responsible for the incitement going on before Rabin's murder.
As for the number of the protestors, it's sad to see what kind of hallucinations do these people have. My honest advice? Get therapy.
People who feel the need to protest government policies are arrested and charged with crimes carrying twenty year sentences instead of the misdemeanors generally handed out to union strikers or other public disturbance defenders;
People who feel the need to protest need to get a permit first. Blocking central roads in Tel Aviv is endangering hundreds of people. What if a disaster happens, and ambulances can't cross because some of the settlers decided that people can't travel on that road because they're protesting? Will they take responsibility for the people dead because they haven't reached the hospital in time?
What if an actual bomb exploded because the police wasn't in time to reach it, because it was dealing with one of the extremists' fake bombs? People like that SHOULD sit in jail for 20 years, if not more. If it was my sister/mother/wife/friend not being able to arrive to a hospital and forced to give birth on the road because the extremists are lawless bastards I'd sure as hell demand more than 20 years for the morons.
Members of parliament publicly call for the use of lethal force to deal with government protesters, and the Ministry of Justice refuses to entertain complaints of ?incitement to violence? against them;
I too call for the force of lethal force in case police officers or armed soldiers feel endangered in any way by the protestors activities. No soldier or police officer should allow himself to have his life endangered. We don't allow Palestinians to threaten our lives, there's no reason we allow vandals from within us to do the same.
And ofcourse, the "Israel is nazi" comment of the day, this time from extremist settlers:
The only ?skinheads? who use intimidation and actual violence to enforce their will on members of the public wear blue uniforms and are members of the state police;
Lovely. That's the respect you have for the police of your country, the people who don't sleep at nights so that YOU can live on some god forsaken hill in the middle of nowhere because you believe it's right. They're the guys spending weekends and holidays on the roads so that our people won't get blown up to pieces by some jihadist. You should thank them every damn moment of your life, but instead, your ungratefull pack of unloyal Israelis call them nazis? You should be ashamed, I know I'm ashamed that this is the way some Israelis treat policemen.
The settlers leadership isn't getting any empathy by acting the way they do.
I support the right of Jews to settle the land of Israel, I support the legal settlements which were built on land bought from Palestinians fair and square (which are most of the settlements out there), and I support the decisions made by Israel's democratically elected parliament and government.
You wish to protest? fine. Do it legally. Don't go throwing mud on the country protecting your rights. Don't go planting false bombs in railway stations, or blocking highways just for the sake of harassing police officers.
I will probably participate in the evacuating of Jewish settlements. It will be hard, facing my own people, but I will not hesitate to fill the orders of my democratic government. I can't, and I won't dump the state of Israel in its hardest moment. These people shouldn't either


  • It's really a tough topic.

    This is these people's home. Legal or not. I know the troubles it's cost but at the same time, they live there, they are the ones in danger and not you.

    yes, I do know the argument for land and the thought that they are exacerbating the situation.

    Well, it's really just a sad state of affairs for everyone involved.

    It's saad we have to give away land to people who have never proven they will act on what they say. It's sad that we have to do that!

    By Blogger Internal Medicine Doctor, at 1:08 AM, May 25, 2005  

  • Yeah, Mad, I know, but if we don't, then there's going to be a huge demographic problem. If Jews started having more children and being more populous in the terrotories than the Arabs, they would be harder to uproot. Also, it would help if people knew that Israel won the land in defensive wars, but we can only dream about that

    To the author of the post: Reading your blog gives me a huge lift, because it doesn't seem like any Jews, much less Israelis, support Israel any more at all.

    By Anonymous V. Ko, at 3:17 PM, May 25, 2005  

  • The fact that it is these people's home doesn't give them the right to break the law.
    The people of Israel, and their representatives have voted for the plan, what they need to do is accept the democratic verdict and move on.
    It's not about supporting the disengagement or not, it's about recognizing the law, and the rules in a democratic society and following them.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 1:15 AM, May 26, 2005  

  • Bravo.

    Couldnt have said it better myself. After years of support for AIPAC suddenly we are saying that the correct members are diplomatically placed there so that disengagement is supported because the thought of people logically concluding that tactically it is the right move is beyond reason.

    By Anonymous Steve, at 11:51 AM, May 29, 2005  

  • Enjoy your democracy.

    Demographics? Not to worry! Chop off all of Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Ignore the security repercussions that have already been said by Dichter (bye-bye) and Ya'alon (bye-bye) and others lately who Sharon cannot dismiss.

    Then watch and see the Israel Arab population sprout even more and become more Islamic and extreme than today.

    Then you can amputate most of the Galil, I suppose, and quite a slice of the Negev.

    Foolish Jews. How many more will die before you stop turning the other cheek, like good Christians?

    But enjoy your democracy.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:59 PM, May 29, 2005  

  • The people of Israel voted for exactly the opposite. It was Amram Mitznah who offered us the Gaza First plan and it was Sharon and the Likud (still a part of the party's official platform) that campaigned against.

    Furthermore, a majority of the Likud voted against the disengagement in a totally democratic process. It was Sharon, the Dictator, who ignored his own party, then fired cabinet ministers, the head of the Mosad and the IDF's Chief Of Staff because they refused to conform to Sharon's bidding.

    Democracy, is it?

    Short memories, we Jews seem to have.

    Hit me again!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:41 PM, May 29, 2005  

  • I stumbled upon your blog and really enjoy it. I am a Jewish American woman in her 20's who supports Israel 100%. But I am confused. Aren't you concerned that we are giving people a state where it seems what they do is devise ways on killing Israelis. What will happen when the Israelis are forced from their homes, how will you protect yourself from the suicide bombers?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:57 AM, June 01, 2005  

  • I don't how they can call Israel the state that is prettecting them Nazis. Without the IDF they would probably be dead by now so they should be grateful that the soldiers can still be bothered to protect their homes.

    Same goes for the ISM, most of those people live in the poshest neighbourhoods and have lived totally sheltered lifes away fromhow it is in the real world.

    It makes me ashamed to see, Jews, acting like both of those people.

    By Blogger rh, at 10:21 PM, June 01, 2005  

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