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Friday, December 02, 2005

BBC's propaganda backfires.

As usual with propaganda, it takes a simple look at it to spot the lie and deception. Take BBC for instance. Last week they published a series of photos of supposedly poor, innocent, scared Palesitnian schoolgirls who are threatened by Israeli soldiers in a checkpoint in Hebron. Really, a heartbreaking scenes when soldiers are seen pointing guns at the poor girls. But wait, what's that right there in the first photo. What's that girl doing?



Yep, that's a Nazi salute. Looks like her teacher encourages her, and the rest of the girls are clapping. Bad, bad soldiers, stopping the Hitler youth from crossing a mixed city without proper security checks.

UPDATE:
ISMer suggests it's not a nazi salute, but a "dramatic gesture".
Ofcourse, it's a dramatic gesture. And Palestinian policemen don't actually use the nazi salute, they're just making dramatic gestures at each other. And Abu Mazen didn't get a university diploma for a holocaust denying work either, it was just a fictional book.
Mein Kampf isn't really a bestseller in the Palestinian Authority I'm sure they just enjoy the paintings. And Palestinian parliament members aren't calling themselves Hitler, it's all a coincidence because that's such a common name.
Puh-lease. Palestinian education, media, and everyday life is drenched with mentions of support for Nazism. What this girl is doing is clear beyond any doubt. Refusing to see so shows exactly what background you and other ISM scumbags come from.

UPDATE II:
Here's a nice video clip that may help people like that. One the funniest clips I've ever seen.

15 Comments:

  • Uh, yes, that's really the Nazi salute. Uh, you are right. Palestinians go around teaching the Nazi salute in schools, homes, everywhere, from birth. I guess you've caught them and exposed their big secret.

    Some people might suggest that the girl is just raising her hand in a dramatic gesture as she reads what is in her hand. But fortunately the soldier/blogger has now exposed the Palestinians big secret.

    Soldier/blogger, this may be the stupidest posting you've made yet.

    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:04 AM, December 03, 2005  

  • OK, let's look at the girl's hand. It is tilted upwards and her palm is open forward, like someone signalling for a person to stop. None of this corresponds with a Nazi salute. Everytime a person somewhere in the world raises their hand in some manner similar to this it does not necessarily correspond with a Nazi salute.

    What evidence does the soldier/blogger have that this was actually a Nazi salute? Absolutely none. He has no information about what happened there.

    Let's even consider the possibility that it was a Nazi salute. What is the context? A group of girls seem to be reading from their notebooks, perhaps some kind of planned performance, in the old City of Hebron, a place where extremist Israeli settlers are terrorizing the Palestinian residents and forcing them to leave their homes and places of businesses, in a manner that a number of prominent Israelis have called "ethnic cleansing."

    Our soldier/blogger disingenuosly calls Hebron "a mixed city" when he cannot help but know that the most extreme Israelis are using violence in an effort to try and push Palestinians out of Hebron in an affort to take the Old City over for Jews only, so that it will not be a "mixed city". Unfortunately, with the complicity of the Israeli government and military, these extremist settlers are succeeding. This is not an innocent "mixed city" where Palestinian schoolgirls are the ones who pose the danger.

    I would guess that the Palestinian girls are staging a performance in the old city for the benefit of soldiers and the media in which they are dramatizing the violent ethnic cleansing of Palestinians being carried out there by Israelis, ethnic cleansing in a manner that some Palestinians may believe recalls the methods used by the Nazis.

    Really, the bigger question here is not whether a young girl has used a Nazi salute in the old city of Hebron, which is unlikely, but how Israelis can justify the violent efforts to expel Palestinians from their homes in the old city of Hebron? The settlers in Hebron should be an embarrassment to you all.

    Finally, despite our soldier/blogger's claims, Palestinian society is simply not imbued with Nazi ideology. Our soldier/blogger does not know the reality because he only meets Palestinians when he attacks and abuses them. Those of us who have spent years living in Palestinian society know that, given the circumstances of oppression by the "Jewish state" there is suprisingly little support in Palestinian society for anti-semitism or for Nazi ideology, though both do exist. For example, Israelis and international Jews are both welcomed by Palestinians when they stand in support of Palestinian rights.


    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:49 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • I'm sorry ISMer but that's NOT how you signal someone to stop, unless you suggest that all the large Nazi conventions were actually road safety seminars.

    A group of girls seem to be reading from their notebooks, perhaps some kind of planned performance, in the old City of Hebron, a place where extremist Israeli settlers are terrorizing the Palestinian residents and forcing them to leave their homes and places of businesses, in a manner that a number of prominent Israelis have called "ethnic cleansing."


    The only ethnic cleansing that happened in Hebron is that of the Jewish community, which was as old as Hebron itself and was completely wiped out in the 1929 Hebron massacre, conducted by the Palestinians. Those Jews weren't immigrants, they were there since the times of the temple, and in 1929 (after a pervious attempt in 1921) their Arab neighbours came to their homes and butchered them, one by one. That's ethnic cleansing. Checking children's bags on their way to school, is NOT ethnic cleansing.


    I would guess that the Palestinian girls are staging a performance in the old city for the benefit of soldiers and the media in which they are dramatizing the violent ethnic cleansing of Palestinians being carried out there by Israelis, ethnic cleansing in a manner that some Palestinians may believe recalls the methods used by the Nazis.


    Wait, I thought you said this isn't the nazi salute? what made you change your mind? do you think it's acceptable to compare Jews to Nazis, so that would make that salute legitimate? That flip-floping is quite revealing.


    Our soldier/blogger does not know the reality because he only meets Palestinians when he attacks and abuses them. Those of us who have spent years living in Palestinian society know that, given the circumstances of oppression by the "Jewish state" there is suprisingly little support in Palestinian society for anti-semitism or for Nazi ideology, though both do exist.


    You're forgetting something ISMer. I lived here before I was a soldier. I live here, in this country. I grew up here. You came here for a few months and have the NERVE to lecture the people of this place about it?
    I know Palestinians better than you EVER will. I grew up with them.
    I remind you, I WAS a leftist activist in my past, I KNOW exactly what kind of brainwashing you passed. I know EXACTLY which villages you visit and which people do you talk to, because I did it all long before you have ever moved out of your convinient suburbian appartment and shoved your nose into a conflict that isn't yours and has nothing to do with you.
    I live here. This is my homeland. This is my country, and those are my neighbours. Don't assume you know better just because you read a few articles or lived here a few months. You don't. You never will.
    I know I'm repeating myself, but still: Get your lazy, unemployed, terrorist-loving, jew-hating, factose-intolerant, intervining ass out of here and go back to wherever it is you and your speedbump friends came from. We, nor the Palestinians don't need you. It's our internal affair and we do not appreciate intervention.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 1:01 AM, December 04, 2005  

  • Let's not forget.....

    "And the winner of the primary in Jenin
    A guy who calls himself “Hitler.”"

    Methinks that calling youself Hitler will get you lots of votes in the PA.

    http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=18379_Democracy_Palestinian_Style&only

    By Blogger IDFDave, at 7:30 PM, December 04, 2005  

  • mr. soldier/blogger,

    It looks to me like the girls are conducting a class outside, and the girl is raising her hand. I read recently Palestinians were conducting classes outside near checkpoints in Hebron to protest the difficulties getting to school. Her hand should be exactly parallel with her arm if she were giving the Hitler salute, and it's not. It's clear she's just anxious the teacher call on her. You say you're more familiar with the Palestine territories than ISMer ever could be. Have you spent much time observing school classes, other than from the other end of a sniper scope or firing a tear gas round? I've watched Palestinian classes. Never seen such enthusiastic students. Every time the teacher asked a question, the students practically jumped all over themselves, raising their hands high as possible, just like this girl, shouting, "sir! sir! sir! all anxious to be called on. At the end of the class, I remarked to the students that I had teacher friends in the USA who would be thrilled to have students as motivated and hard-working as them. the teacher explained to me afterwards they are so hard-working because they know education is their only way out, because you are taking away their land and their only future is to emigrate, and like us Jews they have realized they must gain skills to work in portable professions that they can take anywhere.

    As for the Palestinians being your "internal affair," that's such a typically patronizing, colonialist attitude. Why is it I only hear from Israelis that both you and the Palestinians want us to leave you both alone?

    You say there's no ethnic cleansing in Hebron? Settler violence has practically chased all Palestinians out of H2. See Meron Rapaport's "Ghost Town."

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/646948.html
    The truth is that the logic of this separation began even before the intifada. The separation actually began as a result of an attack by a Jew. After the massacre in the Cave of the Patriarchs in 1994, then-prime minister Yitzhak Rabin considered exploiting the opportunity to evacuate the settlers from Hebron. In the end he backed down, and the army did what it knows how to do: It punished the Palestinians. A curfew was imposed on the city, Shuhada Street was closed, the wholesale market adjacent to the Avraham Avinu compound was closed, and it hasn't opened since. TIFH, the international organization established after the mosque massacre in an agreement with Israel, says that was the first sign of the Palestinians' exit from the city center. In general, the story of the wholesale market serves as a good example of the way in which "security considerations" and considerations of the Jewish settlement in Hebron combine, and together push out the Palestinians in an orderly, legal and almost irreversible manner from the historic heart of the city.
    [....]
    Babies as shields

    "It isn't true that we see a crime and don't deal with it," says Commander Eli Zamir of the Hebron Police, who speaks of the settlers as "them." "But we have a serious problem here. They have understood where our weak point lies - and that's the use of children under the age of criminal responsibility, under the age of 12. They do that on purpose. The children throw stones, break walls. The children are the tactical arm, and even the strategic arm, of the adults." Their strategic goal, according to Zamir, is "to expand the area in which they live."

    But if the children are a problem, the use of babies makes Zamir's blood boil. He says that he heard about this custom - of using babies - the moment he arrived in Hebron four years ago, but he understood its significance only when he was in charge of handling a conflict in which four mothers from the Jewish settlement placed their babies in front of them, as a shield from the policemen. "I watch television, and I have never seen any population on earth that uses babies," he says. "I don't understand by what right these mothers use 1-year-old babies, by what right they endanger them. I said here at the station: Find me the section in the law books that will enable me to prosecute them."

    What goes on in Hebron is an absolute shonde, yingele, and you ought to be ashamed of it, not defend it. See Breaking the Silence: http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/how_we_are_en.asp

    Jewish ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:21 AM, December 05, 2005  

  • I don't think this specific girl is doing a Nazi salute. I think she just wants to draw the teacher's attention to ask something.

    But claiming that the Palestinian society isn't drenched with Nazi sympathies is disingenious. Do they no longer regard Haj Amin Al-Husseini as their national hero? What about oberst Fauzi Al-Kaukaji and the Arab Liberation Army, the Palestinian arm of the Arab invading force of 1948 (which was made up in no small part of the Wehrmacht veterans from the Arabische Freiheitkorps and the Muslim SS divisions Handschar and Skanderberg?

    By Anonymous Womble, at 1:59 PM, December 05, 2005  

  • Why do you let the ism slime bucket take up so much of your space with his filth? Maybe he's just brainwashed or ignorant.
    The previous poster, Womble, has it right. The so-called "left" which is today financed by big money like the Ford Foundation, covers up for Arab-Nazi collaboration. Womble gave a few peripheral, though important, details. The main thing about Arab-Nazi collaboration is that Haj Amin el-Husseini collaborated in the Holocaust. Husseini belonged to a wealthy Arab family in Jerusalem that had been exploiting Jews and Christian dhimmis for centuries. Appointed mufti of Jerusalem by the British, he became a fervent pro-Nazi enthusiast. The late Faisal Husseini was his grand-nephew. Google search [ "arabs and nazis" + husseini + handschar] or [ "arabs and nazis" + "can it be true"]. Further, traditional Arab society was always repressive to the non-Muslim subject peoples, and maintained a system of humiliation and exploitation of non-Muslims [called dhimmis] much like apartheid and jimcrow. For info on traditional Arab and Muslim treatment of Jews and other non-Muslims go to http://ziontruth.blogspot.com . On this site you can search for "karl marx" and find what that unimpeachable leftist, Marx, wrote about Arab and Muslim oppression of Jews in 19th century Jerusalem.

    By Blogger Eliyahu m'Tsiyon, at 8:53 AM, December 06, 2005  

  • I should add to what you wrote about Arab ethnic-cleansing of Jews from Hebron in 1929. It was encouraged by the British who used the Arabs [who were quite willing to be used] to drive Jews away from the Jewish holy places like Hebron. Read Pierre van Paassen's books about Hebron in 1929. He clearly accuses the British of complicity in instigating or sponsoring the 1929 pogroms in Hebron, Jerusalem, Safed, Tiberias, all of them Jewish holy cities. See his books: Forgotten Ally, That Day Alone, Earth Could Be Fair. He traveled around Israel in 1929 with the French journalist, Albert Londres, whose book [only in French] Le Juif Errant Est Arrive, is also useful for the events of that year.
    If ismer supports handing Hebron over to Arab control, that means he supports ethnic cleansing of Jews from that Jewish holy city. Thus, he joins with the British imperialists of 1929, and all the EU imperialists of today [still including the British]. Moreover, the wholesale market near the Abraham Avinu quarter was built on the ruins of the old Jewish quarter after 1929. The Avraham Avinu synagogue itself was made into an animal pen.
    Remember, if there had not been an Oslo accord, everything would have been much more peaceful between Jews and Arabs. The Palest authority would not have been able to indoctrinate and brainwash their youth as much as they now do, because since Oslo they now control the schooling of kids, have extensive TV & radio broadcasting, control the mosque preachers, etc.
    One more point: The notion of a "Palestinian people" is a psychological warfare invention and is not a historical or traditional notion. The Arabs did not even see Israel as a separate country. It was an indistinct part of Bilad ash-Sham. And Muslims put their Muslim identity first.

    Finally, the picture. Whether or not the girl meant to give the Nazi salute, we know that Palestinian authority troops [also called "police"] have been photographed giving the Nazi salute. Further, it doesn't seem to me that the soldier is paying much attention to the girls in the photo. We do know that Arab girls too have been recruited into attacking Jews. So they need watching too.

    By Blogger Eliyahu m'Tsiyon, at 9:20 AM, December 06, 2005  

  • Well I can tell you that there's a lot of countries that uses a nazi-like salute. Mexico is one of these countries, but I don't think they are nazis, is just a mere coincidence. I don't say those girls didn't do the nazi salute, but we ( I'm israeli) tend to be over sensitive on this issues.
    You only can know exactly what was doing the girl asking her....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:55 PM, December 27, 2005  

  • To "Jewish ISMer":
    While I disagree with the actions of individuals from the Jewish settlement in Hebron, the debate ISMer raised about their RIGHT to be here isn't worth to be debated.
    Not only Jews built and founded Hebron (read the book of Genesis)but a Jewish population lived and thrived there for generations, until it was wiped out by Arabs in 1929.
    The right of Jews to live in Hebron is indisputable.

    As to all doubting whether the girl is using the nazi salute, it demonstrates your basic lack of knowledge in middle eastern customs and culture.
    The way one asks the teacher for a permission to speak in the middle east is different from that in the west, it includes lifting your forearm facing yourself and lifting the index finger. If ISMer or "Jewish ISMer" as he calls himself have ever been in a classroom in the middle east, he would know that. Obviously, he doesn't, which exposes their lies, again.

    There's no reason whatsoever for that girl to be making that gesture unless it's the nazi salute.

    to Eliyahu. I've explained it before and I'll do it again.
    Freedom of speech is an important right that I cherish and wish to preserve on my blog. This is why I allow ISMer to post here, something I'm not allowed to do on any ISM oriented blog. I don't fear what he has to say, because I know, ultimately, that I'm right, and he's wrong. Nothing he can say will change that, because the truth is on our side. The only people who fear debate are the people who know they're wrong, IE ISMers.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 12:41 AM, January 01, 2006  

  • Soldier -- Your regard for freedom of speech is admirable. Good to hear you don't approve of Hebron's settlers' actions. I'm well aware of Hebron's history, and I believe Jews, like anyone else, should have the right to live anywhere in the world. What I cannot approve of is the Hebron settlers, as with all settlers, moved there in violation of international law and convention. None of the Hebron settlers who live there now are members or even descendents of the Hebron Jewish community that was massacred and fled in '29, as far as I am aware, so it is not even a question of people reclaiming their property, and as far as I know under the international rules that define military occupation, that cannot happen until the occupation is ended. Those who lived in Hebron and their descendents have the right to return there, when and if Israel and the PA come to an agreement, just as Palestinians from Jaffa have the right to return to Jaffa.

    The following is from Knesset Speaker Avraham Burg, an eigth generation Hebronite who says the two sides should choose not to exercise their rights of return in favor of territorial compromise:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1059003,00.html
    "My resume is no secret. My mother was born in Hebron in 1921, a seventh generation Hebron Jew. I am the eighth generation. My family's deep link to the city of the patriarchs was cruelly severed in the summer of 1929, when rioters slaughtered half my family. The other half - my grandfather, uncles, aunts and my mother - was saved by their Arab landlord. Ever since, my family has been divided in half. One half will never again trust a Palestinian. The other half will never stop searching for neighbours who seek peace.

    "I have the right of return to the city from which we were expelled. I will never give up this right, but I have no intention of exercising it, because I also have an obligation to create a life free of unending death and conflict. The right to life of my children and the children of Hebron takes precedence over the right to slaughter one another on the altar of land and hearth.

    "And here is my faith: any future agreement will be based on territorial compromise - not just a real estate deal, but a spiritual decision by peoples that have decided to accept one another despite years of hostility. I believe with perfect faith that the entire land of Israel belongs to me. So it is written in the Bible, so my mother from Hebron taught me and her grandchildren. And I know that the dream of greater Palestine passes from grandparent to grandchild in every Palestinian home. Therefore the first compromise is between me and my dream. I compromise with my dream of returning to Hebron in order that I may live free in the new Israel. And my Palestinian brother must give up his dream of returning to Jaffa in order to live an honourable life in Nablus. Only those capable of compromising with their dreams can sit together to forge a compromise on behalf of their nations."
    ###

    Back to the hand-raising: I witnessed 2 upper level high school English classes in Qalqilya in January of 2003, and one class in the basement of someone's home of an al-Quds open university English class. The "open university" concept exists because of the difficulties in traveling to go to universities in the West Bank including E. Jerusalem. In the high school classes, the hand-raising was exactly as I described -- the students were practically climbing all over each other, rising up from their seats, arms waved high, and yelling, "sir! sir! sir!. The university class was more sedate; the students were a lot quieter, and I didn't notice if and how they raised their hands, I was busy reading a book. I don't claim to be an expert in Middle East classroom custom and decorum; I'm just telling you what I saw, and to lie about it just to refute whether or not a little girl is giving the Hitler salute seems pretty bizarre.

    -Jewish ISMer.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:42 AM, January 01, 2006  

  • I want to see a video like that about liberals. Ugh.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:17 AM, January 03, 2006  

  • Dear Soldier blogger
    You wrote:
    The way one asks the teacher for a permission to speak in the middle east is different from that in the west, it includes lifting your forearm facing yourself and lifting the index finger. If ISMer or "Jewish ISMer" as he calls himself have ever been in a classroom in the middle east, he would know that.


    Now I happen to be quite accustomed to classrooms in the middle east, being a Palestinian myself. You are very wrong about how one asks a teacher a question. However your are on to something, if you are recieving instruction from an Israeli soldier the way you ask a question is to lift your forearm facing yourself and lift your middle finger.

    -Salviati

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:01 AM, January 04, 2006  

  • A Jewish ISMer sounds like a Jewish Kapo. May he rot in hell next to all ISMers. Hopefully, the Rat Corrie's grill will be accommodate all ISM garbage.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:15 AM, January 07, 2006  

  • I am not sure whether I should raise my hand to comment on the definitive nature of your evidence.

    By Blogger brainhell, at 8:39 PM, January 28, 2006  

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