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Friday, December 02, 2005

The Blog on "Jerusalem Post"

Well, I wanted to post it only after the whole thing was perfect but, alas, no luck.
About a month ago the "Jerusalem Post" published a story about this blog. As my readers know, I spend most of my time in the army, and come home roughly twice a month (or less). I came home to find an Email in my Inbox from a Jpost reporter asking me for comments and questions, sadly by the time I got to responding the letter, I found out the story has been published and my failure to answer the email was titled as "declined comment". I spoke to the reporter and she asked me a few questions, and promised to alter the story. That was a month ago.
She said she is busy and I respect that, so do check that story in case it changes in the next weeks.
Anyway, here's the story.

8 Comments:

  • Sorry folks, but as I noted previously in this blog, and as Andrew affirmed to the JPost, our Israeli/soldier blogger who frequently attacks unarmed civilians got it wrong:

    "He guessed who I was on his blog, but he got it wrong," said Andrew. (JPost)

    Additionally, the JPost has misrepresented ISM's position on armed resistance, by saying that ISM "endorses armed struggle against Israel."

    The JPost need only have read the article below published by ISM in the JPost two years ago to get a detailed explanation of ISM's position on armed struggle

    ISMer

    http://www.minfo.gov.ps/Int_press/english/28-07-03.htm
    (See the full article at this link)

    We are unwavering in our commitment to nonviolence.

    Due to these beliefs, we oppose the illegal Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. As a result we have come under heavy fire in the Occupied Territories and in the media. Israeli officials and several right-wing Israeli and American pundits have embarked on a campaign to discredit ISM, by attempting to equate ISM's principled and active support for Palestinian rights with terrorism.

    In one such attack, "ISM: Support Unit for Terror," journalist David Bedein falsely asserted that ISM works "in alliance with those who choose to kill people in order to advance their goals."

    Our goal is to end the military occupation and bring peace and justice to Israelis and Palestinians. ISM is not linked with political parties or armed groups. Our partners are Palestinian, Israeli and international peace and human rights groups and Palestinian communities.

    ISM believes in the dignity of every human being. Consequently, we strongly oppose violence against all civilians. This includes all acts of terrorism, whether perpetrated by a state, group or individual. We have all thoroughly committed ourselves to the practice of nonviolence and do not assist anyone in committing acts of violence.

    Although our movement is completely nonviolent, we must recognize that independent nations and occupied peoples have security concerns and rights to self-defense and resistance as specified under international law.

    Rights are rights and are not up for negotiation. But rights to self-defense and resistance should not be turned into justification for illegitimate violence against civilians.

    While others condemn and criticize we provide a viable alternative by demonstrating that nonviolent resistance can succeed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:32 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • The ISM members are the filth of the Earth. May they rest in hell next to Mustafa Zibril or all the Palestinian Arab terrorists who murdered the innocent Israeli citizens. They do not have a stake in this conflict and are only theere for fun and adventure. Could they stop any violent terrorist attack against the innocent Israeli citizens? NO! What are they there for? They are covering up their anti-Semitic feelings with their "humanism". Had they been trying to improve the world and be humanistic they would have gone to Chechnya, Uganda, Iraq, Kashmir or 100 other hot spots. Fat chance they would go to Somalia or Sudan. The reason they harass the IDF is the Israeli democracy. Had they harassed Egypt the way they have been harassing Israel they would have been dead a long time ago and in Chechnya or Sudan they would have been decapitated. Therefore, they will not go there.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:01 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • Dear angry and not very intelligent friend, numerous ISMers have gone to Iraq, Darfur and other places.

    I'm sure it will make you happy to know that one of the many ISMers who has gone to Iraq was kidnapped last week as part of the group of four from CPT that are still being held.

    ISMers are committed to human rights for all, not to anti-semitism.

    You, however, appear to be committed to hate speech, and you convey the sense that you are a violent person.

    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:35 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • I can say this to the ISMIES - Stop the illegal, apartheid occupation and opression of Andrewsbrainistine!

    Anyway, I have a question for ISMer: Was it really worth it for those people(The ones who had supposedly gone to Iraq) to risk their lives like that? You can babble on about illegal wars, war for oil, and blah blah blah, but risking your own life for something that you, as a single person or small group, have no control or influence over...? I think I presented you with that question before, and you ended up calling me a fascist, remember? :-)

    I mean I stand for human rights, too. But I'm not stupid. I know that I shouldn't go face to face with people who hate the very thing that makes me different from them: My free will.

    I mean think about it; Those terrorists aren't fighting because don't want a foreign power there, they're not fighting because they want Saddam back(although many are baathists)... they're fighting because they do not want filthy infidels, or more specifically - Ahl-al-kitab in their Islamic heaven, especially not Americans, the one people who have stood up to them. Remember the marine that was killed because he, in the words of the killer, "Looked Jewish"? Yeah. Had it been Kuwait or some arab nation they wouldn't care less. Apart from a few of the same Baathists fighting in Iraq now, they really wouldn't be facing much resistance from the Iraqis. Perhaps if it was Iran, but it would still be so minimal compared to what's happening in Iraq right now.

    By Blogger Nemesis6, at 8:57 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • ISMer, that is the last time you post on this blog a quote from an article which is longer than three paragraphs. I said it a few weeks ago:
    That will be called spamming and your next comment will be erased if you repeat it. Just post the address and 3 paragraphs. That's enough.
    As for your claim that violence isn't part of ISM's way, that's a clear lie.
    ISM was caught harboring am Islamic Jihad terrorist:
    http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=6011&only
    And the two British terrorists who exploded in Mike's Place have met with ISM activists 24 hours before blowing themselves to pieces in a crowded restaraunt.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/15/whurn215.xml
    Adam Shapiro, a founder of ISM said in a 2002 interview:
    "The Palestinian resistance must take on a variety of characteristics, both non-violent and violent."

    This blog featured a video of ISMers singing "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free", which advocated violent ethnic cleansing of Jews and the destruction of the state of Israel. The video can be found here: http://onlyinisrael.blogspot.com/2003/08/apology-well-i-owe-my-readers-apology.html

    The ISM's old website (the one which they try to hide so badly under the new, more media fit site) included recomendation to activists not to ride Israeli busses, and in fact said something in the spirit of "the palestinians should not be told how to conduct their resistance".

    As for ISMers claim that the 4 hijacked CPT activists are ISMers. They aren't. Those are two completely different organisations with completely different goals, and although I have to admit I find both illegitimate intervention in democratic country's internal affairs, I can atleast say that during the wave of bus bombings CPT acitivists were deliberately mounting Israeli busses. Unlike the ISM response to the whole thing.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 11:54 PM, December 02, 2005  

  • Dear Soldier/Blogger,

    Nice try. I personally worked with Harmeet Singh Sooden, one of the four CPT kidnappees, when he was with ISM for three weeks. When he was kidnapped five days ago he was working with CPT in Iraq and then planned to return to ISM in Palestine. I met Tom Fox, another of the kidnapped CPTers, at an anti-wall protest in Jayyous.

    CPT in Hebron was one of the groups that helped to found ISM. A number of ISMers have become CPTers, and vice versa. CPT members often help train new ISM volunteers and CPTers and ISMers coordinate on protests all over the West Bank and most specifically on actions in Hebron.

    ISM and CPT share many similar values, approaches and goals, including human rights for all, except that CPT is religious (Christian), while ISM has no religious orientation, and ISM has slightly more of a direct action focus than CPT. There are other differences, but I believe the similarities are much greater than the differences.

    As for your other tired accusations, 1) an Islamic Jihad member was in fact caught by the Israeli army in the ISM apartment in Jenin. ISMers let him into the apartment, but did not realize who he was. 2) The British Mike's Place Bombers did briefly meet ISMers at a public event for Rachel Corrie in Rafah. This makes ISM no more linked to those bombers than hundreds of other people who met them, including the Israeli Shin Bet agents who interviewed them and allowed them to go on their way. 3) "From the river to the sea..", sometimes people say dumb things at protests without recognizing their implications. They shouldn't say them. ISM supports human rights for all.

    Soldier/blogger, there is nothing at all to hide on the old ISM website. Please ask Nemesis to retrieve more of it for us using the way back machine so that we can repost it. You would be doing ISM a great service.

    Nemesis views the conflict in Iraq as a religious one, and bases his perspective on his stereotypical views of Muslims as terrorists. He avoids considering that root of the violence in Iraq is THE US OCCUPATION OF IRAQ (as the root of the conflict of Israel/Palestine is Israeli occupation and dispossesion of the Palestinain people).

    The US (my government) unleashed this violence when it invaded Iraq, stupidly believing it would "liberate Iraq" by imposing a puppet regime led by Ahmed Chalabi. The US is responsible for the violence that has resulted. And the result was predictable. Frankly what has happened in Iraq was more or less exactly what I expected based on my knowledge of Palestine, Vietnam, Algeria, etc.. Iraqis are behaving no better or worse than other peoples who have been subjected to occupation and colonization.

    I would like to ask Nemesis why he does not consider asking why the United States insists on using terrible violence against people of another race and religion in order to take over their country, impose a government and control their resources? Instead of focusing on Iraqi terrorism, why don't you consider US state terrorism? Oops, but that would lead you to considering Israeli state terrorism as well, of te sort carried out by our soldier/blogger against civilians. Guess you guys won't be going there.

    We know that many of the people kidnapping and carrying out suicide attacks in Iraq use religious language to justify their actions. However, if you scratch below the surface you will find a variety of motivations for the resistance: nationalism, self-determination, anger at US misrule, religion, self-interest, ethnic differences, etc.. Of course, attacks against civilians are not acceptable whether the attacks are carried out by Israelis, Americans, Iraqis or Palestinians. But we also need to consider that Americans and Israelis decided to occupy other people's land, using violence.

    Umm... Nemesis, if you really believe that most Iraqis are not fighting because they don't want a foreign power there, you don't know much about what is happening in Iraq, nor do you understand much about human nature.

    ISMer

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:56 AM, December 03, 2005  

  • I'll respond briefly -

    "bases his perspective on his stereotypical views of Muslims as terrorists." - No, that's not true. As simple as that.

    "I would like to ask Nemesis"
    THEN ASK ME!

    "I would like to ask Nemesis why he does not consider asking why the United States insists on using terrible violence against people of another race and religion in order to take over their country, impose a government and control their resources? Instead of focusing on Iraqi terrorism, why don't you consider US state terrorism?"

    Why do I not consider it? Because it's not true. The U.S. doesn't do that. That's clearly only your point of view, and you cannot pass it off as a fact.

    "the root of the conflict of Israel/Palestine is Israeli occupation and dispossesion of the Palestinain people)." - If people can use history(distorted, I might add) as a justification for their own wrongdoings, well, that makes just as much sense as you blowing yourself up due to the splitting of Zaire. That doesn't make sense, does it? No, it doesn't.

    "Nemesis, if you really believe that most Iraqis are not fighting because they don't want a foreign power there, you don't know much about what is happening in Iraq, nor do you understand much about human nature."
    Well, at least you talked to me instead of about me that time... look at the paragraph above. I think most would find that you do that often; passing your own personal opinion as the facts.

    By the way, did you notice that you switched from talking ABOUT people to talking TO them only in the last paragraph in your post? I think you gotta work on that a bit...

    PS - I'm not ignoring any of your points, I'm only responding to any questions you might have had for me.

    By Blogger Nemesis6, at 3:46 PM, December 03, 2005  

  • The US (my government) unleashed this violence when it invaded Iraq, stupidly believing it would "liberate Iraq" by imposing a puppet regime led by Ahmed Chalabi. The US is responsible for the violence that has resulted. And the result was predictable. Frankly what has happened in Iraq was more or less exactly what I expected based on my knowledge of Palestine, Vietnam, Algeria, etc.. Iraqis are behaving no better or worse than other peoples who have been subjected to occupation and colonization.

    dear whiney liberal,

    perhaps you fail to understand the life of an average iraqi under sadaam's rule. perhaps you fail to understand that the insurgents which are killing iraqis are former 'top dogs' of sadaam's regime. if there is a stable government, with an organized police force and court system, these guys are going to jail for past crimes.

    i think you shouln't pass judgement on what's going on in isreal as you clearly don't have a grasp on what's going in the US. i love how liberals point out how the big bad US imposed governments, and basically raped and pillaged the world for our own personal gain. you know what? so did every other country in the world. do you get mad at the UK for be the first to impose slavery? ever get mad at them for being imperialistic? if you don't like your own country, please leave. you're making it hard for us patriots to live here with all of your political correct bullshit. in the words of the wise richard pryor 'drink a coke and shut the fuck up'. or how about this? try asking the democratic party to actually have a platform, instead of running on the basis of complaining about what republicans did. all the democratic party offers is blaming. as iraqis if they're glad we liberated them from DECADES of oppression. ask afghanis if they're glad that the taliban is gone.

    i've ALWAYS had an issue with the palestinian militants. they get pissed off, they brainwash some kid into blowing himself up on a crowded bus full of innocent people going to and from work. what's isreal's retaliation? one surgical missle strike on the bad guys. who's inhumane?

    you're against building a wall? i'm all for it. build a wall, let them live together. notice since the handing over of territory the palestinians haven't been able to take care of their own affairs? we'll see how well hamas manages.

    sorry for the ranting....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:48 PM, January 31, 2006  

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