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Saturday, December 03, 2005

Somebody to vote for.

Israeli politics is rocking. Sharon left the Likud for Kadima. Peres left Labour for Kadima. For the first time in over a decade a unique situation occured in Israeli politics: we're having ideological elections.
For the last few years it has been confusing. The left was center-left. The right was center-right. There was no actual center party, and is you wanted to vote ideologically, you had to vote for some small fringe party to make it count. The old parties were corrupt from within and controlled by their party centers and not the voters. So to vote for a candidate you liked you had to vote for his party and bring in the corrupt cronies of party center members into the Knesset.
Sharon changed all that.
Finally, there's a true political map. The Labour is genuine left. It's led by a social-democrat. Most of its former heads who were more pro-security than pro-social aren't in its leadership. Peretz has very leftist tendencies in anything regarding the peace process.
The Likud on other hand, is now genuine right. It's probably going to be led by Netanyahu, a true capitalist, whose position regarding the peace process are very rightist.
Then there's Kadima, which is where most of the Israelis stand. In the very center. Yes to peace, but not at all cost. Yes to capitalism, but not by ignoring true misery and poverty. Yes to a Jewish state, but not by making life impossible for atheists.
That's the reason Sharon is going to get so many seats in the Knesset next elections. Israelis finally have someone to vote for. This is something very anticipated around here, the feeling of change, new people entering the political system, old party centers collapsing. My bet is, we're going to have one of the highest voting rates in our history. I'd put it at over 80%.
We're going to have a new Knesset next time. With less political parties, a stronger coalition and less financial blackmail from tiny fractions of non-existant parties. There definetly is hope in the air.


  • This may be our soldier/blogger's most revealing comment yet:

    "Yes to a Jewish state, but not by making life impossible for atheists."

    Seems he/she has forgotten that 20% of Israel's citizens are Palestinians, mostly Muslims. But he/she is only concerned with Jews and atheists. To anyone who is not familiar with Israel/Palestine, our soldier/blogger's ommission of 20% of Israel's population is the norm, not the exception. The government and 80% of the citizens forget as well.

    So much for Israel as a democracy.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:30 AM, December 04, 2005  

  • 20% of Israel's population are Arabs, not Palestinians.
    They're Israeli Arabs. They're well educated, peacefull, modern people and I would kindly ask you not to compare them to the death cult and serial killer worshipers next door.
    As for my comment. The Israeli arabs have no problem with Israel as a Jewish state as most laws which bother atheists aren't applied to them. They may work and open their businesses on Sabbath without getting fined. They don't have to worry about Kasherut licenses. The only problem they probably have with Israel as a Jewish state is the religious marriage which gives muslim/christian/duruz religious leaders authority over their marriages. Jews have the same problem with religious courts of our own. But that problem is universal.
    All in all, the Jewish nature of the state applies to citizens registered as Jews. Arabs aren't troubled by it. Their mosques/churches/temples are equally funded by the state (there's no separation of church and state in Israel).

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 1:39 AM, December 04, 2005  

  • Sorry soldier/blogger, but most of the 20% are PALESTINIAN. They are the same culturally, ethnically, linguistically, and religiously as those living within the Occupied Territories. What do you think they are somehow a different race? The only difference is they've been given a few more rights and subjected to less violence than Palestians in the West Bank and Gaza. What do you think, people from Taibeh and Jaljulya are a different ethnicity from those in Tulkarem and Qalqilya?

    The state of Israel uses divide and rule tactics, like all colonizers have, to attempt to split the people they are attempting to subjugate into different categories, Israeli Arabs, Druze, Bedouin, Palestinian, etc.. The category "Israeli Arab" is a fiction that was created to try and pretend that Arab Israelis are not Palestinians.

    As for whether they are troubled by their 3rd class status as citizens of Israel, I'd suggest you try asking them.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:54 AM, December 04, 2005  

  • As usual with you ISMer, you're lying with no shame.
    While ethnically and religiously Israeli Arabs may be similar to the Arabs living in the Judea and Samaria, culturally and politically they're completely different.
    When 5 invading arab armies told Arabs living here to leave and get their land back after the Jewish state is wiped out, many agreed and moved. In the declaration of independence we called the Arabs to remain here and get equal rights, some stayed.
    Those who supported ethnic cleansing and murder and moved are now called 'refugees'. Those who supported peace and democracy stayed.
    This is why Israeli Arabs are so modern, peacefull and don't support terrorism.
    As for different groups of arabs, there's no denying it. Cerces and Duruz are culturally, religiously and ethnically diferent than the Israeli Arabs.
    There is such a thing as Israeli arabs. There is no such thing as "Palestinians". It's an invented concept. The same group of arabs used to call themselves, "south syrians". The whole concept of "Palestinians" used to apply to Jews and Arabs alike prior to Israel's declaration.
    Israeli Arabs have a nationality, citizenship and are loyal citizens to Israel. The people who call themselves Palestinians aren't. they're two entirely different groups, and your attempt to mix them demonstrates once again your basic lack of knowledge of the conflict, of the people of the middle east, and of this place's history.
    Go home.
    Get a real job.
    Get a life.
    Stop meddling in conflicts you know nothing about.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 2:16 AM, December 04, 2005  

  • "Sorry soldier/blogger, but most of the 20% are PALESTINIAN. They are the same culturally, ethnically, linguistically, and religiously as those living within the Occupied Territories. What do you think they are somehow a different race?"

    So now Palestinians are a race? I thought it was a nationality. Oh well, I guess a Palestinian is whatever you want it to be. Question, will the state of the Palestinian race also include 20% of people of other races?

    By Blogger IDFDave, at 7:37 PM, December 04, 2005  

  • This is humorous. Readers please note that our soldier/blogger still denies that there is such a thing as Palestinians. For anyone who had any doubts, he/she has proven he/she is trapped back in the era of Golda Meir. So much for the enlightened soldier/blogger.

    Our soldier/blogger asserts that Palestinians who live in Israel are different from those in the Occupied Territories, even though they share the same ethnic, religious, cultural and religious heritage, and often they even come from the same families. Furthermore, "Israeli Arabs" and Palestinians may live five minutes apart from one another (though through Israeli checkpoints).

    In reality, the only difference between Palestinians in Israel and those in the Occupied Territories is the degree to which they have been oppressed and dispossessed of their land by the State of Israel.

    Palestinian citizens of Israel lived under military rule from 1946-66, hardly an experience of equality and citizenship. From 1966 until the present they have lived as fourth class citizens in "democratic Israel." For examples of the extensive discrimination against Palestinian citizens of Israel in terms of Humiliation, Hostile Policing, Land Rights, and Citizenship status see for example of the 2004 Annual Report of the Association for Civil Rights in Israel:

    Or see the Israeli human rights organization Adalah:

    "Israel never sought to assimilate or integrate the Palestinian population, treating them as second-class citizens and excluding them from public life and the public sphere. The state practiced systematic and institutionalized discrimination in all areas, such as land dispossession and allocation, education, language, economics, culture, and political participation."

    "Successive Israeli governments maintained tight control over the community, attempting to suppress Palestinian/Arab identity and to divide the community within itself. To that end, Palestinians are not defined by the state as a national minority despite UN Resolution 181 calling for such; rather they are referred to as "Israeli Arabs," "non-Jews," or by religious affiliation."

    "Further attempts have been made to split the Palestinian community into "minorities within a minority" through separate educational curricula, disparate employment and academic opportunities, and the selective conscription of Druze and some Bedouin men to military service. Israeli discourse has legitimated the second-class status of Palestinian citizens on the basis that the minority population does not serve in the military; however, the selective conscription of Druze and some Bedouin has not prevented discrimination against them."

    As I wrote earlier, so much for "democratic Israel."


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:32 AM, December 05, 2005  

  • Ahem, last point.

    Really you shouldn't be complaining about me and telling me to stop meddling and go home, as I brought you your first bit of celebrity.

    The JPost would never have featured your blog if it weren't for me. Stick with me, and you'll go far. Shoot me at a demo and your blogging/media career will go nowhere (of course if you shoot me you'll be let off the hook by the Israeli "justice system" for shooting me, cause your a Jew and not a Bedouin!).


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:07 AM, December 05, 2005  

  • So what?

    80% of Israel's population consists of Jewish Palestinians.

    Wanna play the name game? Go ahead!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:00 AM, December 05, 2005  

  • By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:43 AM, December 14, 2005  

  • I'd like to say that I really like your blog, and I want to thank you and the rest of our boys in khaki for the excellent job you do protecting us from the scum these ISM-ers seem hellbent on defending. You do us proud.

    One question: why do you allow your blog to be hijacked by this pathetic ISM loser? You seem to be providing him with his only entertainment out of what I am sure is a bland, lonely, pathetic life. None of your loyal readers would mind if you just deleted his comments as soon as they come in.

    I don't even read his tripe as I don't have the time or the inclination to read the feeble musings of an ignoramus. Really, why not just delete him? Why waste your precious time and effort arguing with him?

    Ignore this jackass, he's not fit to lick your boots.

    By Anonymous Lee, at 11:04 PM, December 19, 2005  

  • The filthy ISMer trash forgets that the gay Arabs who like to be identified Palestinian flee to Israel for their lives or the poor Arabs who seek higher wages and better lives claiming the Palestinian identity flock to the Jewish state and not the Arab states. The Arabs have 22 Arab tyrannies to pick from. They are Arab states, Muslim where the people speak their language, eat Humus and play backgammon and yet they find the Jewish state more attractive. Jews must be really mistreating the Arabs if they keep snicking into Israel. How many Jews flee for their lives to any Arab state?

    The ISMer filth is disgusting. May he get roasted on the grill right by Rat Corrie.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:15 AM, December 20, 2005  

  • The "ISMer filth" "loser" has not yet been roasted on a grill.

    But it appears our soldier/blogger is away. Wondering if he/she was beating up Leiser and other nonviolent protesters today in Bil'in?:

    Maybe clubbing them?:

    Did he/she bravely remove the Palestinian "outpost" yesterday in Bil'in, while leaving a hundred Israeli outposts in place?

    Looks like it was a good week for beating up civilians.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:07 PM, December 23, 2005  

  • What do you think about the fact that the Arabs in Hebron don't want you there and has actually asked the Jews -- Of all people, the Jews which they claim are the brothers of pigs and monkeys -- to help them get rid of you guys?

    I mean I find that ironic. Ironic in a "Greenpeace-destroying-the-coral-reefs-they-claim-to-protect" kind of way.

    By Blogger Nemesis6, at 4:37 PM, December 24, 2005  

  • Dear Nemesis,

    Don't believe everything you read on Arutz Sheva.

    What Palestinians (not simply "Arabs") don't want ISM in Hebron? Can you be specific? Did you ask them? Did you see any actual people quoted? It's propaganda being arranged by Israeli settlers in Hebron who of course don't want ISM there.

    Are you s defender of Hebron's settlers, some of the most violent and racist people around?


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:04 PM, December 24, 2005  

  • Seems to me our pro-Palestinian has no clue what he/she is spewing about.

    Personally, I feel anyone who is a known terrorist or, has terrorist ties ought to be tossed out of Israel or bar-b-cued....

    Take your pick.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:05 PM, December 25, 2005  

  • May the new calendar year bring an end to the ISMer. May he get AIDS or cancer and be buried on the graves of his younger family members!

    Rat Corrie is roasting in hell as we speak and, hopefully, the local ISM trash will be there soon to keep her company.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:10 PM, December 26, 2005  

  • I wouldn't count on him getting AIDS- I can't see even a desperate gay man wanting to sleep with him, can you?

    Why do you think he's so eager to get cozy with the Palestinians? They (and their goats) aren't that choosy.

    This blog deserves better than these comments, which is why I think our cool soldier should just delete the ISM prick's comments- even though that goat-loving loser is so easy to make fun of.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:11 AM, December 27, 2005  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:28 AM, December 27, 2005  

  • A few comments after being away for a while:
    to ISMer. No, I haven't been to the specific protest you discussed in Bil'in, so I didn't get a chance to see Lazer and his friends findind out that violence against armed men doesn't pay.

    To all the people who suggests stuff like "roasting" and AIDS for ISMer, I believe this kind of language is unwelcome here.
    This is not our way. We're more intelligent than them. We're more compassionate than them. We're generally better than his side. I think that language has no place in a political debate. If you're wondering why I allow ISMer the freedom of expression he has on this blog, the reason is simple: I believe in free speech. Unlike ISM's blog, which doesn't even have a comment section, or other blogs of his kind who censor comments, I don't.
    I have neither the time, nor wish to limit what he has to say, and I believe that his posts on this blog demonstrate the complete and utter ignorance of basic facts, pittyfull attempts at propaganda, and the imaginary world of lies in which terrorist and their cronies live in. ISMer serves Israel without being aware of it, it's perfect for our side, as he exposes the thing I report about.
    Read his messages, reread them over and over again, and learn how the enemy thinks, then, defeat it.

    As to ISMer, if you think I have this blog for Jpost articles, think again.
    I have it so that people with some brains (unlike yourself) will be able to get a coherent picture of the truth from someone who lives the reality and affects it.

    Your last message was deleted, ISMer, because you broke the posting rule. To recieve a copy of that message, email me, so you can edit it to follow the rules.
    I remind you all, this ain't a forum, but a comment section. don't paste more than 3 paragraphs from an article you want to link to. Just give us the URL.

    By Blogger OnlyInIsrael, at 12:28 AM, January 01, 2006  

  • Dear soldier/blogger,

    As I remember it, I did not post more than three paragraphs from an article. I remember posting two paragraphs from Akiva Eldar's article. One of the paragraphs Eldar wrote was very long, but it was not my writing, it was his. I added some of my own paragraphs.

    You decided to censor me in violation of even the rules you set.

    I will paste below what I rmember as the two Akiva Eldar paragraphs and the link to the article (although I'm not sure the first is the one I pasted).

    Since I did not violate your rules, you should repost my post.


    Building companies owned and managed by settler leaders and land dealers acquire lands from Palestinian crooks and transfer them to the Custodian of Government Property in the Israel Lands Administration. The custodian "converts" the lands to "state lands," leases them back to settler associations that then sell them to building companies. In this way it has been ensured that the Palestinians (under the law in the territories, the onus of proof is on them) will never demand their lands back...

    In the process of preparing a new report that deals with the expansion of settlements under cover of the separation fence, researchers from B'Tselem, The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, and from Bimkom, Planners for Planning Rights were able to lay their hands on the map of "The Master Plan of the Upper Modi'in Area" for the year 2020. The map confirms that it is not only security issues that interested the planners of the route of the fence in the area of the battles for Bil'in. They were so hungry they "forgot" that security needs make it essential to keep a suitable distance between the fence and the nearest Jewish locale. It turns out that in addition to the usual master plans, at the initiative of the Construction and Housing Ministry and in cooperation with the planning bureau of the Civil Administration, in 1998 the Upper Modi'in local council and the Matteh Binyamin regional council drew up a master plan for the whole bloc. The plan does not have statutory validity, but it is a guiding document in the framework of which the planning policy is determined for a given area, and in the light of which the master plans are formulated. The report points out that under the master plan about 600 dunam adjacent to the plan for Matityahu East, which are owned by families from the village of Bil'in, are slated for the construction of 1,200 new housing units. Less than two months ago inhabitants of Bil'in discovered that a new road had been cut through from the Matityahu East neighborhood to a large grove of olive trees that is located in the area.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:48 AM, January 01, 2006  

  • Soldier, I admire you for valuing free speech enough to let that jerk's comments remain. Normally I am against censorship, too.

    But this has gone too far. He has basically taken over your blog. Let him express his feeble musings in his own damn blog!

    Trolls like him don't really want to make any kind of intelligent argument. They just want to be heard. They want to cause trouble. He is only here to make a mockery of you, a fine example of our proud and brave IDF, and in this specific case, I think you have every right to delete his comments or ban him. After he sees that his comments don't appear here, he'll slink back into his rotten hole, and you'll have your blog back.

    However, I can understand that you are probably very busy and don't have the time to delete every post. I really wish, though, that you would ban his address, or moderate the comments so that he doesn't appear. But again, I respect your wishes.

    And to that pathetic loser from the ISM: rest assured that most of us don't even read your crap. Just one look at who is writing it is enough to set me to making fun of you (I was the author of the goat remark). Who wants to waste time reading your garbage? Not me. You're good for a laugh, and that's it.

    But I now think we should just ignore you. I for one will not pay any attention to you any more, and I think the rest of the readers should do the same.

    Carry on with the great work you do for this country, soldier. We continue to be so proud of you. And really, think about deleting the loser's comments.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:24 PM, January 01, 2006  

  • May the ISMer get the herpes on his tongue, genitals and brain.

    Soldier, don't waste your precious time on scum. The ISM bacteria does not deserve you attention.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:24 AM, January 07, 2006  

  • I couldn't resist asking you this late in the game if you're eating your helmet for your pipe dream glorification of Kadima. You should.

    You should also ask yourself who so many level headed people could be so easily fooled. I'll let you work it out for yourself.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:23 AM, August 28, 2006  

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